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Specialized Epic Pro

Like having an elf flicking the lockout lever for you


Posted: 28 January 2003
by Mike Davis

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After a brief respite, 2003 is looking like the year of suspension innovation. And it's all combating the old pedal-induced bob chestnut. To read the marketing blurb over the last few years you'd think that the problem had been solved over and over again, but apparently not. Meanwhile loads of people have been happily riding suspension bikes that move around a bit without worrying too much about it.

Still, it'd be hard to resist a bike that actually sprinted and climbed smooth surfaces like a hardtail and dealt with bumpy stuff like a full suspension. That's what Specialized's Epic promises, and rather than all sorts of tricksy suspension geometry it's all in the shock...

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Rear suspension. Slightly muddy

Frame

The front half of the Epic frame is pretty much the same as the front of the Stumpjumper hardtail range. It's M4 tubing, with the same funky curved downtube going into the headtube. The back half is where the fun really starts. Rather than put the shock in the front triangle, Specialized have stuck it in the back between the seat cluster and rear dropout. The main reason for this is that the Brain (about which more later) needs to be near the back axle so it makes sense to put the shock there too. A handy side benefit is that the front triangle stays open and there's space for two bottles in there, just like hardtails. The seat tube bottle mount is a little short on space for a 750ml bottle, but there's a third mount under the down tube and a fourth one behind the seatpost (one of the bosses is on an extra bolt-on collar that goes around the post).

You may have seen a design similar to this before. Halfords' Carrera range last year featured the Bugaboo featuring a shock placement just like the Epic (no cunning shock gubbinses, though). There is a tenuous connection - the Bugaboo was a Merida design, and Merida own a chunk of Specialized. Despite the initial similarity, though, there are some key differences between the two designs.

For a start, the Bugaboo had an adjustable upper link with three travel options which the Specialized does without - it's fixed at 90mm. Specialized have also gone to the trouble of mounting the shock on spherical bearings at each end. These allow the rear end of the bike to deflect sideways or twist or not travel exactly in a vertical plane without transferring any undue loads to the shock. All of the suspension pivots have sealed cartridge bearings.

Mud room is adequate if not massive, and you're getting the common full sus "shelf" behind the bottom bracket to collect gunge. The shock also receives more than its fair share of muck - it didn't seem to mind during our test period (we just had to excavate a bit to find the rebound adjuster) but we can't help thinking that it's not the best place for a shock from a cleanliness point of view.

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Brainbox. Well, more of a tube

And then of course there's the Brain. This is another of those Fox/Specialized developments like last year's Itch switch travel adjust gizmo. The Brain is pretty cunning. It's essentially an automatic lockout for the rear shock. Inside the sticky-up canister is a valve, a weighted piston and a spring. The spring holds the valve closed, locking out the rear suspension. But hit something sufficiently hard with the back wheel and the weighted piston accelerates upwards, popping the valve open and allowing the suspension to compress. The valve will stay open until the suspension stops moving at which point it closes and locks out the suspension again. The Brain is right down near the rear axle and angled backwards to line up with the axle path in the first part of the travel. Only a bump hitting the back wheel will trigger it - you can bounce on the seat as much as you like and nothing will happen.

The idea is that the Epic is effectively a hardtail until the ground reaches a certain level of bumpiness at which point it becomes a short travel full suspension bike. Although not actually all that short - 90mm is quite respectable.

You can't help but be impressed by the amount of work that's gone into the Epic frame. Everything's butted and shaped and we were most taken by the laser-engraved annotations on all the bits of the rear suspension saying things like "This side out" so if you take the thing apart you can get it all back together again the right way up...

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SID forks: Not the stiffest, but light

Components

The Epic Pro is the second most expensive in the range (third if you count the super-spendy S-Works model). The models either side sport disc brakes and Fox forks, but the Pro goes for a more traditional XC race feel with a RockShox SID Team fork and Avid Single Digit Ti brakes. It's even got a radial front wheel for maximum XC raceness. The front hub uses Specialized's Skraxle combined skewer and axle which is claimed to be stiffer than the usual setup. They're shod with Roll-X tyres which we're growing quite fond of - they're knobbly enough to grip well but the centre tread is quite closely spaced so they feel quite quick.

Finishing kit is mostly Specialized own brand stuff. It works, no complaints. The bars are quite interesting, being nominally a wide riser bar but with so little rise that it's almost flat. No shortage of width, though - we'd imagine most people would want to cut them down a bit. Easier than having to add bits on, mind...

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XTR shifters are mated to conventional rear mech

The transmission is an XT/XTR mix using Shimano's new brake lever/shifter units. We've been gradually getting used to these, but Specialized have nudged the goalposts a bit by teaming the shifters with last year's XTR mech. The old mech is conventionally-sprung, which means that the right hand shifter works in the opposite direction to the other 2003 XTR bikes we've ridden. Pushing down gives you lower gears, flicking up gives you higher. We found this a lot more natural than Shimano's preferred way - it's more akin to the way road STI works and means that you can drop a bunch of gears at once. The shifters are growing on us, but they still look a bit clumpy and we're still worried about crashing on them...

Oh, and you get a pair of pukka Shimano SPDs too. Which is nice.

Ride

The first hurdle with the Epic is setting the shock up. Usual techniques don't apply here - you can't set sag because at first there isn't any. It does settle slowly into its travel as you ride, but it's nothing like hopping on to a regular FS and having it immediately sink beneath you. Fortunately Specialized include a rider weight chart with recommended pressures which will be near enough to ideal to get you riding. Once you've got some miles in you'll be in a position to tweak things to your preference.

The riding position is quite racy, with a low front end and long cockpit. Unlike most suspension bikes the Epic doesn't settle back on its haunches when you sit on it, which makes it feel like you're sat quite forward on the bike. The long cockpit and low bars definitely emphasise high-speed intentions. Handling is sharp, possibly too sharp for some - it's very keen to change direction which can be a good or a bad thing depending on your trails and riding style.

The aggressive handling is emphasised by the forks. It's no secret that SIDs aren't the stiffest forks out there. They're more than respectable bump absorbers and they're very light, which is why they appear here. If light weight is your priority then they're a great choice and they're entirely at home on this race-oriented bike.

So does it work? Yes, in the sense that it does what Specialized claim it does. Ride along the road or smooth trails, pedal like a gibbon, bounce off the seat... It doesn't move. At all. This is great for sprinters or anyone who just doesn't get on with suspension bikes moving about all the time. Point the Epic down a bumpy descent and if feels like a well-sorted middling travel suspension bike. Thanks to the low leverage ratio and big shock, the Epic runs pretty low shock pressures. This makes it pretty plush once the Brain's done its valvey magic.

Where we're not totally convinced is in the grey areas between smooth and bumpy. The Brain's threshold is fixed at the factory, and we feel that it's just a little high - on a number of occasions we were tackling bumpy climbs that on a regular full sus bike would be sit-down-and-spin affairs. But they weren't quite bumpy enough to make the Epic think it was worth its while to absorb them. There's a workaround - go faster and hit things harder - but it's costly in energy terms.

We'd love to have an adjustable threshold, or possibly a sort of reverse lock-out lever that disengages the Brain so the suspension's working all the time. Specialized won't comment on what they're planning for future models, but we wouldn't bet against one of those options appearing...

There are a couple of other quirks to the design. Because it takes time to settle to a sagged position, often the back wheel won't drop into hollows. The whole bike drops and the shock activates when the back wheel lands in the bottom. If you're used to full suspension this'll be an equilibrium-troubling experience. Similarly, if you've got used to FS bikes that settle themselves into corners the Epic'll feel a bit odd. For a suspension bike anyway - in both situations it just feels like a hardtail.

The more miles we put in on the Epic Pro the more we liked it. But it's not for everyone. If you're a full suspension fan, untroubled by things moving beneath you all the time, the Epic will offer few benefits. If you're a died-in-the-wool hardtailer you may be converted by the Epic's part-time suspension but if you like hardtails for simplicity, well, maybe not. It does look like a hardtail, though, which is a factor not to be underestimated.

There are plenty of riders out there, though, who ride full suspension but run hard springs and use lockouts a lot. And for them the Epic is quite possibly exactly the bike they've been looking for. With no FSR-XC in the range this year, Specialized are pinning their XC race hopes on the Epic. It's a bit heavier than the FSR-XC, and four bottle mounts looks a bit more Transalp than XC race. We're not sure that most XC courses are varied enough for the Epic to shine - if you've got long, smooth climbs and bumpy descents then flicking a lockout lever a couple of times a lap is no big deal - but if you're racing (or riding) XC and using the lockout lots (or wishing you had one…) then this'll suit you down to the ground. We think it's best suited to the sort of rides its name suggests - long, mixed terrain rides, perhaps with odd bits of road. The Epic would be a great Trailquest/Polaris bike, for instance.


Verdict
We like the Epic design. And as we've got used to it we've started to like it more. The spec on the Pro is a bit overtly racy for us - we feel that the cheaper Epic Disc, with a Fox fork and Deore discs, is a better fit with the frame's strengths. And we'd like it more if we could persuade the shock to activate over slightly smaller bumps. When it comes down to it, we're not too troubled by suspension moving about all the time and we're not generally in much of a hurry, so the Epic probably wouldn't be our choice. But we're not everyone - if you're a full sus fan who loves their lockouts, you'd be a fool not to give the Epic a try.

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Thanks Mike - good review. The Holy Grail is still just over the horizon!! I'm a hardtailer who is looking for something abit softer after years of pounding and have therefore tried quite a few of the current favourites. I had assumed that as the Epic was "closest" to a hardtail that it would be the best for me. However, like you i found that if the rear was locked out when the bike dropped into a hole there was the initial drop followed by another drop as the suspension released making the hole seem twice as deep - a really odd feeling that at the time I put down as a characteristic of FS. I have since found that this sensation is unique (of the bikes I've tried so far) to the Epic.
Posted: 28/01/2003 23:24

You'd still get that a bit on other FS bikes. It does seem to be more noticeable on the Epic as there's a fair chance that it's not actually sagged when you encounter a hole. It's not a whole bunch different from other short-travel FSes but if you're used to riding around with 40mm of sag it's slightly odd.
Posted: 29/01/2003 09:18

They've got one of these for test rides in the local shop - a size too small for me, but I'm sorely tempted to bung in a long seatpost and take it for a proper test ride. It's a refreshing change to see a bike company providing bikes that you can take out for a thrash, rather than having to settle for a car park pootle.
Posted: 29/01/2003 17:16

There's a handful of manufacturers doing the "roving test fleet" thing this year. Not before time, either.
Posted: 29/01/2003 18:41

I got a good test ride on my ETS last year. Bring your own pedals and take it away for the day didn't even want a deposit or anything (although they knew where I'd parked my car). Probably could have had it for longer if I'd asked.
Posted: 29/01/2003 18:47

Sounds interesting, I read another article which suggested that it felt like the Epic would be better with 100mm forks, - has anyone tried this? would it upset the brain?
Posted: 29/01/2003 19:00

MW I don't know where you are but if you can get yourself to Edinburgh Bike, they have a range of sizes of EPICs to test ride for a weekend. £50 (plus a £1000 deposit) gets you the bike for two full days, and if you buy any bike from them with in 30 days they will knock £50 from the price. The only question is do you live near to Edinburgh or Aberdeen to take advantage of this?
Posted: 29/01/2003 19:08

I suspect it'd be fine with longer forks. Not necessarily better, just different. If you're not into fast-handling bikes then it may well be better.
Posted: 29/01/2003 20:12

"If you're a full suspension fan, untroubled by things moving beneath you all the time, the Epic will offer few benefits. If you're a died-in-the-wool hardtailer you may be converted by the Epic's part-time suspension but if you like hardtails for simplicity, well, maybe not." Exactly the sentiment that the owner of my LBS expressed. It's nice to see other people agreeing. The guy from MBA (Richard Cunningham) is sold on the epic apart from it's sharp head angle and low BB. A longer fork would fix this. Although highly interested in this bike as a new purchase, I cannot say that as a man sold on full suss I would be tempted to buy one as my trail bike. Good review too.
Posted: 30/01/2003 03:19

A bike that climbs and sprints like a hardtail on the smooth stuff, no pedal induced bob and zero sag. Is the EPIC the first? No, what about the much ignored GIANT NRS? It's been around for years plus with the NRS there's no need for a 'fancy' shock or even lockout!
Posted: 30/01/2003 09:12

This is true. We've got a 2003 NRS on test...
Posted: 30/01/2003 09:25

I took a hub into the shop today to be built into a wheel, and had a closer look. Christ! The pedals are nearly touching the ground.
Posted: 30/01/2003 11:25

Ben: "The guy from MBA (Richard Cunningham) is sold on the epic apart from it's sharp head angle and low BB. A longer fork would fix this". I disagree, I thought he saw it for what it is; a marketing excercise aimed at a large potential customer base: dyed in the wool hardtail riders who are scared of (the percieved power sapping) 'bob'.
Posted: 30/01/2003 12:05

Although it's not exactly what you'd call a reputable or reliable source of information, MBR has an interesting article that claims hardtails are more energy efficient than full sus bikes. We don't know how lumpy their off-road test track was, or whether the test riders mainly rode hardtails or full sus (each of which could affect the results of their test dramatically), but after the article is appeared that in certain off road situations there is a benefit to having the suspension locked out. I previously assumed that full sus was better in all situations, but that the rider just had to learn not to bounce up and down on the pedals and handlebars like a gibbon! It seems that there actually is more of an advantage to lockouts than I'd previously assumed, but on previous form I'm afraid the MBR article can't really be treated as anything more than an informed piece of fiction. I was therefore (like Watty) under the assumption that lockouts are simply marketing hype aimed at getting non-fs believers to shell out more for a full sus bike. However now I'm not so sure. There may be something in it after all. But there would only be benefit to it if you raced, or were interested in getting from A to B in the shortest possible time on the most energy efficient bike. Personally I ride for fun, and couldn't give a toss about small differences in efficiency - but this bike wasn't designed for riders like me who like cake more than xc efficiency.
Posted: 30/01/2003 13:32

We did something years ago with lots of riders, HRMs and Proper Statistical Analysis and things. Full sus was 5% slower on a tarmac climb, no significant difference on a gravel off-road one.
Posted: 30/01/2003 16:35

Couldn't really follow the MBR item - they seemed to go to quite a bit of trouble with quite a bit of kit and then not really present their results.
Posted: 30/01/2003 16:43

I can't see why anyone wants full sus that is rigid on small bumps.For most xc riders these are the ones that cause the most long term pain and aggro,and you might as well stay rigid as far as I can see.Why not get a proper active bike design,that soaks up all the crap,and lets you do what you want to do,ride.Reading the various reports on the efficiency of ht and fs designs,the jury ist still out,but these are all short term tests that ignore the fact that fs saves your body a load of pain and grief,long term.
Posted: 30/01/2003 18:07

What a total waste of time! Why have a full suss bike then lock it out, much better to have a decent hardtail without the extra complexity of suspension. Full suss is great, it allows better hill climbing tracking over rough ground, it protects your lower back from impact & therefore a crushed lower spine (keeps you riding longer) set the sag right, use a decent shock Fox float with rebound, keep to simple suspension (single pivot or Duo) avoid complex multilinks whatever the hype these will end up flexy over time & be expensive to run, & you get single track handling, downhill blazing, decent hill climbing, enduro speed & loads of fun. Use your own brain not the epics!
Posted: 30/01/2003 18:50

Bottom line what would you recommend for a cross country racer looking to do a few more longer events,the Epic or the NRS. The NRS seems to have been around for little while but is it still cutting edge technology or do Giant have something around the corner they are going to bring out.
Posted: 31/01/2003 21:56

chris i wouldn't bother with either - try the mount vision, and swap the lightweight forks if you're heavy rider.
Posted: 01/02/2003 11:09

Well said Simon!
Posted: 02/02/2003 12:52

" £50 (plus a £1000 deposit) gets you the bike for two full days, and if you buy any bike from them with in 30 days they will knock £50 from the price. " This doesn't sound like a bargain to me when they are trying to sell you a bike. £50 to find out the bike doesn't suit you isn't a bargain. I have 2 full sussers ATM - an 'inefficient' single pivot linkage and an NRS. The NRS really squirts forward under power by comparison, and climbs superbly where the other feels 'soggier'. When set up correctly it also handles small bumps well. If you want the sprinting ability of a hardtail with full time suspension then that's the way to go. My only regret is the frame dimensions don't suit me on the downhills.
Posted: 02/02/2003 14:10

Mike, I remember that article, (world, wasn't it? using Orange bikes?) the MBR boys appear to have gone at this from the "we've blagged the use of some expensive and very techy kit" angle. Would be interesting to know if your findings contradict what MBR found using the COSMED! Can the COSMED actually provide more useful information (in this context) than a heart rate monitor and a stopwatch? (Heaven forbid that MBR should print tech articles that were bollocks in two consecutive issues...)
Posted: 03/02/2003 11:27

I'm sure it's been discussed somewhere else but how does the SC Blur handle since frame wise it costs the same or is it worth going for a simpler design with a lock out lever?
Posted: 03/02/2003 15:16

Of the bikes I've tested I was very impressed by the Blur. Yes it still bobs slightly - so I've ordered it with a lockout version of the AVA rear shock - just in case........
Posted: 03/02/2003 16:22

I have a lockout on my fox eqipped RM ETS and it feels bloody awful when locked out on smooth tarmac roads, i have adjusted my pedaling to suit FS as i now spin smoothly and regularly pass hardtails on climbs, IMO fs helps you to pedal more efficiently whilst seated as you make a concious effort to spin your gears thus pedaling smoothly and using your leg muscles properly.
Posted: 05/02/2003 15:38

Lock out on my Enduro Pro is fine - in fact I wouldn't be without it. Has anyone trashed the brain yet? Can't wait to see the cost of a replacement.
Posted: 14/02/2003 22:32

Agree with Nasher. Also like the higher bb hight.
Posted: 15/02/2003 08:25

the only market that is untapped at the moment re fs is those who are "afraid" of bob. Therefore - epic - easy to convert from your racy M4 or s-works. Of course its a marketing excersise - they are trying to make money after all.
Posted: 15/02/2003 12:28

I rode a demo Epic at the Salisbury challenge this year and liked it so much I bought one. I'd been riding a FSR comp for 5 years and had been umm'ing and ahh'ing over a new bike for about two years, can I find a lightweight FS? Do I get discs? I decided to hand over all my worldly goods on this purchase and went for the Marathon (one below the S-Works). That's XTR discs, levers and all the other good stuff. It arrived (5 weeks later) about 10 days ago and let me tell you, it looks fantastic, feels super light (for a FS) and the ride... Well, before the ride, first thing, there is sag in the rear shock. An amendment to the manual notified me of it. Sit still in your usual riding position for about 10 seconds and the suspension front and rear will have sagged. Specialized recommend about 10mm on the rear as a starting point. So after a bit of tweaking front and rear it was ready to go. So, the ride, it's awesome. Whenever I get on it I just want to go fast! I think this is partly to do with the fact that I had become unused to the responsiveness of a hardtail and partly because I'm like a kid with a new toy! The worries I had about it being too harsh were proved to be completely unfounded on the 50K across Salisbury plains and my bike is just the same. Then, when you head downhill, you suddenly realise (and it really is a sudden realisation as there's no noticeable shift from hardtail to FS) that you have plush and responsive full sus. In between the two extremes, I'm not aware of what it's doing, but I know it feels great. Like they say in the ad - It Knows. I can't say enough good stuff about this bike, but for the doubters here are a couple of things I've found; XTR shifters - braking and shifting is tricky, especially when you've not owned discs before. I think the fact that the US bike has the front brake on the left would make it much easier as we (in the UK) have our front brake and rear shifter combined. The hand opening movement of pushing the levers up is really unnatural, but I'm sure after a few more rides I'll be used to it, I remember rapid fire was weird once. It does mean if you opt for bar ends that the levers are accessible while climbing. That thing that everyone seems to be banging on about - Yeah, if you drop into a single hole or hit a single bump/log there is a strange thing that happens where the shock releases and sinks into it's suspension and then goes rigid again, but you only really notice it when you're seated and how often does that really happen anyway? For me these are minor issues, more something I need to get used to than a defect in the design. I think that the bottom line for me is; This IS the bike I've been waiting for.
Posted: 21/02/2003 13:01

I have the S-Works frame built up to a good spec and it's the best bike I have ever ridden those who think it's a marketing gimic need to put some miles on it off road (not in the lbs car park) and then judge it to.......well anything you want as there is no XC bike that can match the Epic at the moment. Its not a freeride bike, its no jump bike, and its not a downhiller (though I would be more worried about my rims than my frame!) What it is, is the fastest A-B bike avalible, I had a BigHit DH with Shiver DC's as my DH'er but sold it as I can not drag myself off this bike! and if you just want to let rip and tear up singletrack at warp like speed this bike should be on your wish list!
Posted: 25/05/2003 23:03

EPIC help wanted. My brother has an S-works EPIC fitted with Last years XT components. He is continually suffering a Chain-suck type problem when changing down the front from top to middle while under load (going uphill). (Rear is the higher gears) This Resulting in the chain jamming between frame and bottom cog at the front. He has already changed the BB to a longer version as original fitted was not long enough,so Specialized say, (only designed for XTR). Chain has been changed for top of the range shimano. The gear set up has been checked by two dealers both say all is ok. Any thoughts out there????
Posted: 27/05/2003 11:26

Sorry - I have put loads of miles on mine set up with XTR (1 spacer non drive side & 2 spacers drive side) XTR chain and front/rear mechs and have had absolutly no chain suck at all ever, I do run the chain with 2 links less than recomended to keep a bit more tension in it and stop chain slap, - Have you tryed varying your chain lengths to see if this cures it?
Posted: 27/05/2003 17:59

I take it this doesn't happen going from middle to granny ring? I'd look at several things: Teeth and ramps on the chainset. Are they worn enough to be at all hooked? If so, time to change. Position of front mech in relation to rings. When in the big ring the bottom edge of the cage should be 2-3mm above the teeth on the big ring. Also check that it's in line with the ring, rather than twisted at an angle. Check that the mech isn't moving in too far when you downshift. You could try putting initially 1 turn on the adjusted on the bar shifter, then a second turn if it still does it. Do check that it actually shifts OK and doesn't rub though. It may seem obvious, but make sure the chain is lubed properly and appropriately for the conditions. I've had bad chainsuck after I've been well into a ride - usually just after encountering mud. Mud will strip the lube from the chain and make chainsuck much worse. If it only happens after a while into the ride then take some lube and apply it as soon as it becomes a problem. Best of luck.
Posted: 27/05/2003 18:01

Thanks for your replies I have passed them on. I am also informed that specialized are now sending out two modified front rings to my brother. It sound like a " we have had this problem before response" who knows?
Posted: 28/05/2003 14:48

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