 I have visited the web page for this company after reading/searching for carbon frame manufactures other than Scott (expensive)/Giant(don't like the look). I tried to view the UK dealer site from their link for pricing and more details but it wouldn't open.
I was wondering if anyone has any further information about these or indeed a recomendation for a frame. I want to build a light XC bike (19" frame) circa 20lb.
Budget is upto £700 for the frame.
Whilst I'm on. which is better..XTR or Sram?
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 Personally, I'd avoid it like the plague if you want it to last.
3-year warranty is about the shortest of most carbon bikes, and probably means they expect it to have a usable life of 3 and a bit years. Which, to be honest isn't very long. I'd invest in a Giant or a Trek 9.8, which have lifetime warranties, and seem actually to last that long.
Also worth thinking about the fact that Scott expected the 900g Scale frame Frischy was using to train for the olympics on to last about 6 months before snapping. He had a fresh one just to race on.
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 If you've only got £700 to spend on the frame then a 20lb XC bike is a little out of your reach.
"XTR or Sram?" Pick one out of a hat, seriously you won't get a sensible answer to that question here (or anywhere else) it's all down to taste. If a bloke called Kato says SRAM, don't believe him he rides a wierd bike:-0
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Thanks for your input both of you.
Regarding the 20lb bike, i'm using Pace RC31 rigid forks so that may help a bit I guess.
What would you suggest I look at?
Here's what I was considering for different reasons:
SWorks HT W/Out fork
Rocky Mountain 2.9lb one
Rock Lobster Ti
But realy fancied carbon if it were available.
Cheers, Ash
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My choice would be the S works, but as you're using rigid forks the Ti RL may be a better choice.
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Yeah I'd go with Mike (unusually!) and agree on the S-Works front out of that list. The Trek 9.8 is only £1000 now, and that really is lovely!
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 lovely :)
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 Ircomp was going to send us a frame to test, but it all went a bit quiet. So I'm afraid I can add little to this discussion ;-)
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 Hi Nick, Plague here!
About warranty:
- lifetime warranty for bike frames means max. 5 years ti. it is set to be 5 years lifetime of a bike frame (road frames), but I must say I don't know yet if the number stays also for MTB frames.
- warranty conditions are also very importanat, for mentioned two companies (at least for CR) is set (in warranty rules) to be max. drivers weight of 80 kg for years to warrant
- we repaired a lot of those exelent frames mentined
- with some knowledge of math & physics you can make some calculations to find out about forces on frame. DIN plus standard we hold is set to give 3 years of warranty for the driver of 120 kg weight ... Yust to mention that normal weight of bike entushiast are between 65 to 75 kg?!
- and finaly no one other holds DIN plus standard for Carbon HT!
- here at us guys use our frame for street fights, 4c, jumps, ... they change everything (at lest three times in season) but not the frame ...
DIN plus standard:
- static 350 kg on seatpost (our bended for 0.85 inch at BB and went back to 0 position)
- 100.000 times of 120 kg on pedal
- 10.000 times of 150 kg on pedal
- ...
And for others,
within two weeks you will be able to buy an IR Comp at our representative in UK, name is Richard Montgomery (10 miles record holder) ...
Regards
Borut Kuk
Ir Comp
P.s. we have special price till the end of Janury, so if you would like to order one just contact us!
Aditional, when ordering: BB 68 or 70 mm, setapost diameter 27.2 or 34.9 mm ...
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 Not that I understood a lot of that but...
"lifetime warranty for bike frames means max. 5 years"
I know Trek's lifetime warranty does actually mean 'lifetime'
Also who the hell is using a carbon frame for riding street? Expecially a sub-1kg one!
Talking about the S-Works....you cant get it without the fork for 2005.
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Can't get a built bike either on the Epic or the hardtail, frame and F100X forks only. Smaller bikes come with 80's I think.
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Very nice forks though!
While we are on carbon frames, did I tell you I'm getting a Tarmac Nick? :-) Carol says there isnt any in the country at the moment though. :-(
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Everything on eart has its own lifetime: UHT milk half year or a year, a car has its own lifetime (it is known that producer has to provide spare parts for 20 years (legaly) for a car after end of production), ..., for road bike frames lifetime means 5 years ...
About street bikes, check our site on www.ircomp.com and you will find out (or read Mikes article a bit slowly and you will find out that there exists Race edition frame, srtandard 3.1, ...) that Hevy Duty is 1.5 kg and is made for riders that weiht 150 kg - meaning ...
That's all ... we have new bikes to develop ...
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Hi guys
Thank's for all the inputs and usefull information. I have trauled all the manufactures and done the homework on custome build and eventually bought a Scott Scale 20 today..grrrrrrr. It's awsesome.
As you say the frame warrenty is 5 years but what the hell. I'm about 85kg but knowone mentioned that to me at the shop (hope I don't have to test it.
About the Sworks frame and fork, my local dealer said they would sell me the frame only and sell the fork themselves, I didn't go with this 'cus I really wanted carbon!.
I'll keep you posted with updates.
Ash
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Ashley don't worry, bike will hold you! I wish you many well spent hours on carbon ...
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DIN PLUS 4.2, 4.3 & DIN 79100: 2000 04
Why DIN PLUS?
Somehow EFBe test for DIN 79100: 2000 04 was not enough for us. EFBe test also does not satisfy DIN CERTCO for DIN PLUS standard. So we performed some aditional ultimate tests like:
- drum test, 640km
- twist, 100.000 times at 120 kg on pedal
10.000 times at 150 kg on pedal
- static, 350 kg on seat
- …
We hold this certificate for standard 3.1 frame since September 30 th, 2003!
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Me again!
Power of marketing?
As we didn't need to repair none of in two years sold frames, we decided to prolongue warranty time to 5 years.
DIN PLUS lifetime of MTB (at least):
- 10 years or 30.000 km at 115 kg of bikers weight.
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Cuted Carbon frame 3.1 on 6 pages ...
http://www.ircomp.com/cm/binary.php?id=2005012318421951
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Frischi successfully broke his 6th frame ...
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