 That 'Emu Head' Saddle/seatpost combo at the bottom of the page looks bizarre! and carbon rotor spiders? I'd shit meself!!
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 managed to find some info though about the crazy bonkers saddle.
it's made by Selle Italia, and is called the Bill-hook - it's only a concept at the moment so don't go bothering your local shop just yet. The 250g (including seatpost) weight sounds good though, plus a 'linked nose with pivot movement' sounds intriguing.
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 Those Mavic wheels are 40gm heavier than Barbara's RCZ on Rigida Xcell with DT 2/1.8 and alloy nipples.
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ah i've forgotten to put the Wilier photos in, doh! give me a couple of mins
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Don't click that Wilier link Alan, It's at least as seductive as the Condor.
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 see i knew which one you had been looking at, don't suppose you know the price on the wilier?
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 The Fisher - what would happen to the ride if you put a normal (39mm offset?) fork on it? Seems a bit limiting by designing the frame geometry to take essentially a one-off fork design, and not exactly future-proof either.
I like the bike but wouldnt want to be tied into one manitou fork.
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Never been bothered about taking chances though the boys at Fisher. 29ers had limited forks available when launched but there's more variety now.
Can't see the G2 thing taking off though. Seems to me that it solves a slight problem you may have for 5% of your riding time by sacrificing the handling characteristics you want and expect for the other 95%. I'm sure it works but the trade off seems too high.
Besides, tight switchbacks just need balls and technique, not a new bike.
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 Apparently the only difference between Genesis and Genesis 2 geometry is the fork offset, so if you put an "ordinary" fork on it it just handles like a 2006 Gary Fisher.
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 Here's a Eurobike Video on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXRJCB_sySc
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no..
i think also the head angle is steeper to reduce the trail..?
i think the idea with G2 is to reduce the trail but keep the wheelbase the same..
you are basically stuck with one (arguably pretty poor) fork choice..
maybe you could run a longer fork and bring the head angle back in line..??
that might work...
if the rest of the geometry was the same you could add the new fork to any bike and get G2 so im sure there is more too it..!!
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I thought sea-urchin was right in that the idea was a steeper head angle with and unchanged wheelbase and increased fork offset to make the relative position of the wheel the same.
I would have thought that 10mm extra fork offset on the same frame would make the handling slower if anything.
Possibly a longer, standard fork would have similar characteristics but wouldn't that throw the BB height, seat angle, bar height out too and move your weight further over the back wheel?
I still think that it causes more issues than it solves and riding twisty stuff at speed is more down to technique than anything else.
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Look used to produce forks with different off-sets for raod bikes to keep trail more or less the same with different head angles. A slacker head angle gives more trail (the distance the wheel contact point is behind where the headset pivot plane meets the ground) unless you increase fork off-set. More trail makes the bike more stable and slower to respond which some, me included, like.
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Why is it 'offset' but off-almost anything else. :(
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