That's because if you say a single negative word about them you get bloody hate mail for months afterwards. They've merely beaten those who disagree into submission.
No way around the fact they've got a massive fan base and are an exceptional price though.
They've merely beaten those who disagree into submission.
I wouldn't say they are any better than any other bike but they are: a) a very good price b) Reliable c) perceived as having some sort of Guerilla 'chic' because they're so anti brand. d) adored by Fanbois on STW who will pummel you with nasty emails for months if you upset the Boss (I can't mention his name because he'll find this thread if I do) They're watching I tell you!
The comments about the On-One bikes came from the riders themselves on rides, so not sure what you mean about them being beaten into submission or hate mails.
If it works for so many riders here in the UK, is there a reason why you're holding off?
As I said, simplicity of design and a geometry that feels very "right", beyond that, I can't advise you as my experience is somewhat limited and on the 29ers only.
I made a comment on STW that was misinterpreted as being derogatory to the bikes & BR. I apologised and ended up in a drawn out one sided argument, via forum with a number of On-One riders and BR where I repeatedly explained what I had meant in my OP, apologised for having caused confusion, backed up my position with evidence and eventually wrote to the man himself directly, off forum explaining what I had meant. This happened back in late march or early April and it's taken until fairly recently for the hate email (seriously) and 'threats' to stop. I'm not saying he was behind it but it was pretty obvious that it was coming from On-One owners.
The bit that really annoyed me about the whole situation was I wrote directly to the man who had most 'right' to be offended, made a very detailed apology and again explained what I had meant with my original comment. He didn't bother to reply.
To cap it all off he tried to start another one recently - I made a light hearted joke to another person who'd said something negative about On-One (quoting myself from memory it was 'Careful, you'll get into all sorts of trouble for saying On-One aren't as good as DeKerf') and BR TOTALLY misquoted that in an inflammatory manner.
I've got nothing against On-One bikes. Like I said to BR in my email to him and on the forum post I was looking at one of his 29ers for my next bike (the US dealer had no stock and the wait was insane in the end) and I rode an inbred and it was a perfectly good bike. It has a market, it has a role that it fills perfectly well. If I was in the market for a rough and tumble bike I might well consider one. Or I might have done if it hadn't been for all the nonsense I endured. Now I don't know.
I do resent the fact that because I had the audacity to express an opinion that didn't appear to go with everyone elses that I endured ignorance (and quite open insults at one point), threats and harrassment that was totally inflamed for no reason.
/Edit/ I'd certainly never say anyone had wasted their money buying one of his bikes though.
The on one following does seem to resemble a religious cult with Brant at the head, his followers eagerly lapping up his every word no matter how bizarre.
His latest bike is made of plain gauge tubing, on the website it says
"We made it in plain gauge chromoly as it’s tougher in all sorts of ways - ie: dent resistance outside the pub, and impact strength too.
Does anyone actually believe that making a bike frame with plain gauge tubing is a good thing? It is clearly just a mountain bike shaped object, rather than a proper bike, like the things that can be bought in bike warehouses across the country for 75 quid.
Having said that, I am waiting for my 456 to arrive. So pass me a white robe, I want to worship at the alter of Brant.
you really cant knock the value for money though, there are no other frames around with simular geometry / tubing at those prices. Even a PA is twice the price for a simular frame. I think its pretty good what On-One have done for the industry but yes, there is a cultish following perpetuated by a slightly ermm, trendy attitude of the owner... its all marketing really
MSP - I've said it before and I'll say it again now: The 'summer' bike came about because he screwed up. He signed off on plans he hadn't reviewed or only gave a cursory glance over and now he's trying to spin it a completely different way 'we're so cool we design our bikes in the pub, we're JUST like you!'
Plain gauge isn't stronger than butted tubing. Just cheaper. It certainly won't ride any better and I think this is why the price is so damned low - he made a mistake and wants to clear it. Which is perfectly fine. Just be honest
It's just the impression I get from reading the product page. He had a chuckle at someone running 160mm forks and then happens to design a bike where he works the angles out around a 5" fork... that's not much of a difference travel wise and 25mm = 1 degree difference to the head angle. that's not a lot at all. You can get 1/2 degree angle change by running a different tyre after all.
Then he states that it's disc only as you won't want to run V's on this frame but THEN admits it still has rack mounts because he forgot to take them off... not fitting V bosses would save around $10 - $15 USD on the cost price of each frame and the rack mounts being left on sounds very much like the re-use of components.
Plain gauge tubing - there's no disputing it's tough (which is why it gets used in jump frames) but it's also significantly cheaper. When I had a couple of frames built a few years back I was given the option of plain gauge or butted and plain gauge came in at 40% less than the butted tubes.
I'll put my hands up - I'm a suspicious bugger and like to read between the lines. Doing that here this sounds very much like a bike designed over the phone to hit a price point. Nothing wrong with it at all and I'm sure it'll turn out to be a great ride for everyone who snaps up one of these frames. I'd just rather see that admitted to.
And i guess I'm just being far to cynical. It is afterall a mountain bike frame for £125.
Doing that here this sounds very much like a bike designed over the phone to hit a price point.
mmm, see what your thinking, not sure really though as "standard" 456's are in stock for £157.49 so I dont think its designed for a price, more like as it slacker, its going to get used and abused a bit then plain gauge makes sense, it happens to be cheeper so thats reflected in the price. They never a
ppear to mark something up as its flavour of the moment, all there pricing appears to be Cost plus margin. That said, the 456 was £200+ when it first came out I think.