 Thanks for that Captain. I bet it weighs a ton. We'll need a block and tackle to lift your bike over stiles if you fit those....
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 Cheeky twunt - be sure to keep yours indoors tonight  After Saturday, this is very apt - 3m10sec in 
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 Andrew you are unbelievable with your stats! I think I know who led the fastest one  but it wasn't as climby Hope to see you in the pub soon.........I know you are all out riding now and apart from being on taxi duty......... i'b all bugged up, got sore throat, sdotty dose, add startig a coff, so doe sdoggig todight 
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Many thanks for those that took part in the happy group, was a nice quick ride till we got punctureitus, and many thanks for the invite to the xmas bash, i just wish i could attend, double booked !! Im going out on monday night with a friend who is looking to improve his fitness, so will be on the road and maybe a bit on gentle singletrack, anyone interested pls feel free to post,, and also my appologies in advance for not being able to make this coming thursdays ride as am having to play the part of a loving husband, wedding anniversary and all that  roll on ps; get well soon Deb
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Out Cold - thanks for the stats... Why isn't the height gained and the height lost the same on each ride? Is the height of the Saltwood Green changing during the two hours we're away?? Question to all: I need to plot out a substantial off road route (c.15 miles) and then share it with a few people electronically. Any suggestions as to websites or free software that offers sufficient detail and functionality that I could use? Ta v muchly!
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 The difference in height is the same as the difference between the recorded height at the start and the end of the ride. I think this is to do with change in atmospheric pressure over the two hours of the ride. Or it could be that the Green feels like it is higher when the end of the ride is uphill and the ride has been hard. Obviously more research to do here and Debs has kindly offered to help with the data analysis although she recons it can all be done by feel . As for plotting routes, Google Earth is OK (they call their routes tracks) and has the advantage that you can save/export to Google maps and others. I have not really used others as I have Tracklogs.
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 I only said heart rate and 'effort' could be done by feel. For distance, time and height gain/loss I bow to technology  I 'feel' there are several reasons why the Green appears to be a different height before and after the ride on the Garmin. 1. the Garmin has no true feelings 2. Andrew took a lot of air on the ride, which confused Garmin. 3. Garmin was so pissed off at listening to the girls' jam recipes and knitting patterns during the ride, it decided to give bum info. 4. The Green must be lower at the start of the ride with the weight of so many riders on it at once, but they return in dribs and drabs. I'm sure there are many more equally plausible explanations.....
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 Out Cold... If the GPS relies on Satellites for it's altitude it lies! I use my Garmin Map60CS alongside my altimeter (which uses barometric pressure), when I fly and the GPS is normally out by a margin. Great at calculating speed but crap with altitude and rate of climb. They also don't like knittng patterns.
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 off to blean tomorrow if anyone is interested, start at 9.30 from rough common car park
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 Will I need trailraker on the rear or rampage all round??
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