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Any way been out for a ride and all is now sweet

Mike Davis wrote (see)

Oh, and watch your language.

Sorry next time I'll put it as a link

Black Heart Billy* wrote (see)

You agreed with someone with out checking facts

Utter bollks my 'facts'  were this, I'd rather have a better fitting helmet even if it cost £25 over a £125 helmet that didn't fit.

I pointed out that all helmets regrdless of cost will have to meet the same protection standards otherwise they simply couldn't be sold. I went and checked with the manufacturer of my helmet and found that my £30 helmet had the same CE number as the more expensive race models, you then got arsey that i used a random number (CE N6546 or something?) instead of copying and pasting the exact one.

I believe my point was reasonable and salient, so why tell me to Fck off I don't really know.

Cos you didnt read the article and put a link to somewhere as an insult probably because you had decided, like dyl does, that you are right and anyone disagreeing is wrong.

By the way is a cheap safety device, what ever it is, better than an expensive one ?

Cos you didnt read the article and put a link to somewhere as an insult probably because you had decided, like dyl does, that you are right and anyone disagreeing is wrong.

How can I be right or wrong? if you read my posts you'd have seen that i'd much prefer to own a £90 Giro Xen as I prefer the idea of having so back of the head protection but when I tried it on I found I could get the helmet to sit right on my head therefor I ended up with two helmets which fitted perfectly the Giro Indicator or a Bell one but I can't rememeber the name.

In my opinion because all safety devices have to pass the same sets of criteria I would rather have one that fits me than suggest someone went out and bought an expensive one that didn't fit as well.

By the way is a cheap safety device, what ever it is, better than an expensive one ?

If two olympic high jumpers only have to jump over a 1m bar to qualify which one is better?

Black Heart Billy* wrote (see)

If two olympic high jumpers only have to jump over a 1m bar to qualify which one is better?

The one who has chosen to land in a more comfortable pair of shoes.

But when it comes to the olympics they raise the bar

Helmets I agree have to  be comfotable but they are a bit like insurance policies you dont find out how good they are until you have to use them.

Anyway if you are buying a helmet read this [all of it] and have a gander at this Then make your own mind up, me if I was buying one today it would have to be a Specialized.

By the way is a cheap safety device, what ever it is, better than an expensive one ?

What a ridiculous question.

if I was buying one today it would have to be a Specialized.

But if someone finds that Specialized helmets don't fit their head well, they should buy another brand.

As for your links, the first bit of that BHSI site I read was the "Quick Answers", including:

Which kind of makes it an interesting site to use to back up your "expensive helmets work better, and it must have Snell certification" argument

[i]At the high end, you will still find big vents and high prices, but no verifiable advantage in impact performance. A helmet with less foam has to have denser foam, a disadvantage in lesser impacts. You can pay more than $200 if you want to, but Target, Wal-Mart and other discounters have models that meet the same CPSC impact standard at an everyday price of $10.[/i] -BHSI

I think little arguments aside, the point is find a helmet that fits...I think certification standards aside we can all agree if a £100 helmet doesn't fit you properly it's about as good as a Lidl £10 job...so just try a few on and find the best for your individual head not MBUK/MBR etc 10/10 ratings.

I've never skimped on bike helmets either I've got a trashed Arai after my 748 decided we'd go for a bit of ground sky ground sky action, the giant skidmark(snigger) on the back of it a testament to me still being here...some may argue if that's a good thing or not ;-P

John, as I said you only have one head

and as I have experienced a head injury from a cycling accident I know I would choose a helmet  that was tested to a higher spec.

At the time it was Snell certified and it did the job,

Mike Davis wrote (see)

By the way is a cheap safety device, what ever it is, better than an expensive one ?

What a ridiculous question.

 "expensive helmets work better, and it must have Snell certification" argument

Not ridiculus as BHB may be to young to know 

you could buy cheap krabs [PA] but I bought the more expensive ones that worked.

A bit of journo licence there Mike, do you work for the Sun as well ? never said

"expensive helmets work better and it must have a snell certification"

"a Snell tested helmet will be more expensive than a helmet tested to BSI or CEN for the simple reason they have to provide samples to the institute for testing and pay for this"

Is what was posted.

and as for a Specialized helmet they are one of the major manufacturer that exceeds the MINIMUM standard set by CEN and advertise the fact that they comply to The higher , even their cheapest helmet meets the following

CSPC; SNELL B90C (toddler) and B90A (child), CE and AS/NZS  standards.

Interestingly Bell helmets

"Bell has helmets made to the CEN European standard that according to Bicycle Retailer and Industry News will not pass the US CPSC standard and cannot be sold in the US market. Foremost among them is the Bell Meteor II chrono helmet for time trials. This is one you may have seen in Tour de France time trials."

CEN 1078  a good standard to use ?

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you could buy cheap krabs [PA] but I bought the more expensive ones that worked.

That's crap and you know it, I've fallen on RP's and they held...those weren't even certified!!!

I'll send you some Pierre Alains original krabs use em if you dare, they failed well below there stated strength

and as for RP's they have saved me many a time as have HB's [RIP] only not tested because to do so cost more than the company could afford so stopped making them. I do believe they are now being made again by DMM.

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Yeah but climbing gear has evolved as has biking equipment.

I've fallen on some of the ropiest placements you can think of!

As for the brass sub 0's nut's yeah, there was NO way they'd ever pass CE i was working in Rock & Run at the time it all started and bastard Hyslopp ripped them all off the shelf.

I remember there were a few companies who stepped in DMM being the main but they'd never make it through, it's ok for Black Diamond who came out with those ridiculous friends?

Can you imagine leading braille trail on CE certified kit? 

Braille trail requires a nail wrapped in tape

I've top roped it and FUCK THAT sorry Mike for the language but I think only such terms can express a deck out on that route