 I fancy a change from my xtc sx and as funds are tight was thinking maybe I could get a new frame and swap some of the parts over I was considering Cotic bfe genesis altitude dialled alpine on one 456 anyone got any experience of any of these?
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 I've got a 456 fitted with a pair or Recons on the front which I use when I am back home. I find that the bike can feel a bit pedestrian when I ride it on my regular trails but as soon as the trail becomes savage in either direction the bike really comes into its own. I enjoy riding the trail centres on it for example.
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found another now to add to the dilemma Ragley Blue Pig
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 I have an Altitude 853 frame and I like it a lot, as did the magazines REVIEWS It may be up for sale soon though as I fancy the new red colour to replace my green one.
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 P7
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 how long is "long travel" ?
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I've a 456, and run it with one of two forks (depending on what/where); a 120mm maxle reba and a talas Fox 36 150mm. Builds vary 26-29lbs. It works for me. What fork are you going to be using?
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I've got magura phaons at the moment 130mm I may however do a bit of e-bay buying and selling and see if I can get something more like 140-150mm and hopefully with adjustable travel I just fancy some more gravity oriented riding, and as I can't afford a full susser at the moment I think a long travel steely might be the way forward If I had the cash I'd get the Cotic bfe, and get something like an Orange Alpine as I really fancy a bash at the megavalanche, but until I win the lottery....
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A Cove Stiffee is what you want.
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SC Chameleon
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 A Stiffee if you prefer going up or a Chameleon if you prefer going down. Although neither are steel so maybe a Handjob or a Prince Albert.
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Good call JJ, the handjob is an awesome descender, I'll probably buy another one day.
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opening up the criteria to 100-130 mm steel hardtails and he fancies a bfe why not go for a Soul.
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 The new souls are warrantied to 140mm as well
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I was looking at that, it's a bit vague to warranty a frame to the travel of a fork, as my fox 140 talas is shorter that some 130 mm (Marzocchi & Manitiou) and only 3mm longer than 130 revelations ! 
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My local Santa Cruz dealer who I have had a moan about before also deals in cotic and genesis bikes I rang them saturday about buying a Alptitude frame, they took my number to get back to me, but guess what? Still not heard How useless can you be? I am wanting to give them over £300 and they can't even be arsed calling me back
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 I find that most standard retail shops are pretty poor at ringing back, you need to go in their to get proper service, after all they are not a mail order business.
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If it was me I'd just buy some upgrades for the Xtc.
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 Iron Horse Sunday World Cup
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