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2007 XTR brakes revealed

We've seen Shimano's top-end transmission bits - now it's the turn of the brakes


Posted: 2 May 2006
by Mike Davis

Here's the second tranche of Shimano's 2007 XTR announcements - we covered various transmission bits a few weeks back, now we're looking at brakes.

Disc brakes

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Clockwise from top left: Hydraulic brake lever; brake lever alongside 2007 trigger shifter; 160mm brake rotor; caliper

The current incarnation of XTR has always had a rather obvious gap where the separate brake lever used to be. It dates from a time when Shimano was pushing Dual Control hard, and so if you wanted to run your XTR disc brakes with RF+ (or someone else's) shifters you had to drive them with levers drawn from another Shimano group. Not any more - for 2007 there'll be a proper XTR hydro lever. The design places the reservoir between the bar clamp and the lever blade, along similar lines to Magura's Louise (or, venturing further back into history, Hope's old Pro) levers for a compact design. They're designed to fit close together on narrow bars - Shimano's pictures show the brake levers mounted inboard of the shifter pods, but you can put them either side as you prefer. The levers have adjustable reach.

The brake calipers will be available in two flavours for IS and post-mount systems. They're fundamentally not all that different from the current items, using two opposing pistons and forged monobody construction. The biggest change is with the brake pads - they have titanium backing plates, said to allow better heat dissipation and a solid brake feel. Resin or sintered pads will be available, and Shimano claims that the lifespan of the resin ones has been improved by 50%. That'd certainly be a welcome development.

One of the criticisms levelled at Shimano brakes has been a limited choice of rotors. It's hard to fault XTR on that score now, though - there'll be 160, 180 or 203mm options for front and rear, plus a teeny 140mm rear rotor for the weight weenies. All the rotors use Shimano's Centerlock system.

Claimed weights are 961g for a full set of brakes (front and rear) with 160mm rotors and Dual Control levers, or 735g with separate brake levers. XTR's Rapidfire Plus shifters are claimed to weigh 229g, which makes the two options only 3g different in total weight.

V-brakes

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Restyled V-brake levers and calipers

There'll still be rim brakes in the XTR group, although from the pictures here it doesn't look as if anything terribly exciting has happened to them since the last incarnation. The V-brakes have the familiar parallel link mechanism and cartridge brake pads. There's a separate brake lever or you can use the new XTR Dual Control lever for cable brakes.


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c'mon shimano, they look about as plastic as magura julies!

i for one, don't like any of the new xtr stuff, whether i could afford it or not..

but does anyone?
Posted: 02/05/2006 17:55

Think SRAM will be talking to their lawyers about those shifters like Shimano did about theirs?
Posted: 02/05/2006 19:56

I have to say that the look of XTR has never been my main reason for buying it. Some of the new stuff though is about as good looking as Dylan!
Posted: 02/05/2006 20:31

I like the levers

.........very Formula
Posted: 02/05/2006 20:49

mm *takes another look*
Posted: 02/05/2006 21:06

I dont like them, not because they are or are not fugly - rather because if Shimano were serious about XTR being light weight and technically superior they wouldnt waste platic / metal on embossing 'X' everywhere but would use transfers and keep them looking lean and functional-industrial.

2007 XTR is aiming at a market other than high end technical in my opinion - its aiming at high end bling.
Posted: 02/05/2006 21:18

Sram X9 is gonna be the best value/performance shifting setup for 2006 imo.

XTR looks as though it ticks a lot of performance boxes but wih Bling also aken too much into consideration
Posted: 02/05/2006 21:24

new money for old rope, they can't be arsed redesigning their disc calipers, cable levers or V brakes, fundamentally nothing much has changed, if they were serious about losing weight on parts they'd be doing more engineering than marketing led design and using lighter materials.
Posted: 02/05/2006 23:09

Hey my Magura Julies look better than that XTR crappola.


But it'll sell because your elitist bike snobs just couldn't be seen ( at the pub ) without it.


Ordered yours yet Mike Spenceless ??


Posted: 02/05/2006 23:27

2007 XTR is aiming at a market other than high end technical in my opinion - its aiming at high end bling.

And the issue is...? Hell, if you've got it, flaunt it. Just like X0. It would seem that, as is normally the case with Shimano (and SRAM for that matter) that form follows function – the bling is there because it is just that, but it's bling on a superbly engineered high-end product. XTR has taken a battering from a more 'bling' X0 gruppo – can you blame them for trying to sex it up a bit?

new money for old rope, they can't be arsed redesigning their disc calipers, cable levers or V brakes...

Maybe they don't need to? Would it be innovation for the sake of innovation when there's no genuine improvement currently technically feasible?

In case you hadn't guessed, I like the new XTR. ;-)
Posted: 03/05/2006 08:23

I dont know why!?! Its proper ugly. I dont see any real improvement other than bringing back non-dual control stuff and normal pull mechs.

I'll stick with my X.0. I may get the new XTR to try it out on my old bike.
Posted: 03/05/2006 10:22

Reminds me of some cars. The Ford Sierra, Ford Edsel, Ford Anglia............
Posted: 03/05/2006 10:36

Your point is a very good one Dylan, if people bought XTR because it looks nice, certainly not why I buy it! I'd still use it if they released a totally unbranded black set up, if it was still better than the other groupsets.

I think it'll be much nicer in the flesh, I remember not liking the M960 stuff when I first saw it, and friends have said the same when they went to the M950 stuff, from the old 8 speed group with the polished cranks and everything.

People are resistant to change, but I bet it does look nicer in reality, and in 6 months time we'll all be raving about it!

Have to say I won't be trying the brakes though, the calipers weren't incredible before, I think they're very pretty, but if they're still gonna have chronically sticky pistons and stuff I won't be bothering, not when there's gonna be an Avid Juicy Ultimate anyway :-)
Posted: 03/05/2006 10:37

PMJ, are you under contract to say that you like stuff from the Small S company? (Previously the Big S, until SRAM utterly took over that title!)

;-)
Posted: 03/05/2006 10:46

totally unbranded black set up

Now that would properly rule.
Posted: 03/05/2006 10:52

Hmmm, I thought that as I wrote it :-)
Posted: 03/05/2006 10:57

"totally unbranded black set up"

It works for cars. I saw a big limo parked in St Tropez and couldn't find a badge on it.
Posted: 03/05/2006 10:57

I'm with Carlos. SRAM have totally over taken Shimano in my opinion. The new XTR stuff is an attempt to catch up, and i dont think it hits the target to be honest. It looks very plasticy, with the lame X on it, and functionality wise, i dont think it has anything over SRAM. Brakes wise i am happy with my Magura Marta SLs which weigh less than the new XTR anyway. I'm sure it will look better in the flesh, and i probably will be getting my hands on some XTR stuff for my second bike as i would want to try it out before i really lashed out :p
Posted: 03/05/2006 11:01

Hmmm, so your comments aren't really valid are they Smidge? You've said it looks horrible, then contradicted yourself and said it'll look better in the flesh, and you've said it has nothing functionality wise over X.0, but you have no idea, you've never seen it!

I have to say between Marta SLs and XTRs, I would buy the XTRs!
Posted: 03/05/2006 11:05

Black stuff is faster. Always. Especially if it's got an understated stealthy matt finish.

In the real world where I ride my bike I couldn't possibly justify the cost of XTR/X0 stuff. I'd just wear it out or break it and then cry about the complete waste of money. I smashed my rear mech up on a rock 3 weeks ago and if it had cost me in excess of a ton then I'd have been gutted. As it was it was a rapid-surprise LX which cost me about £25.

Racers and fashionistas only need apply IMO.

And it's as ugly as sin (with acne).
Posted: 03/05/2006 11:08

Racers and fashionistas? That's me on both counts then :-)
Posted: 03/05/2006 11:12

I said i'm sure it will look better in the flesh i never said it would look nicer than X.0 or it would look beautiful in the flesh. Just not as pig ugly as it looks in the photos.

Reading press releases etc and the Shimano website its simple to find details on the new XTR functionality. And it brings nothing new and exciting to the market really.

In terms of how they feel in reality. Like i say i will hold judgement until i try them. So i hardly think i have contradicted myself Nick.

The XTR DOES look plasticy in the photos and DOES have a lame X on. Oh and as for XTR vs Marta SL's - there is no contest in my opinion. The Margura Marta SLs are a better brake, the carbon lever is much comfier and modulation and power is better. Who knows i may have been using a shite pair of XTR brakes on my XTC.
Posted: 03/05/2006 11:19

In the real world where I ride my bike I couldn't possibly justify the cost of XTR/X0 stuff

Quite so. And that's not even on the grounds of the possibility of mashing a £140 rear mech - just the price of consumables scares me. £90 for a cassette? Hello?

I don't even want to think about how much a pair of XTR brake pads with titanium backing plates are going to be ;-)
Posted: 03/05/2006 11:20

Me and Mike agree on 1 thing :)


Posted: 03/05/2006 11:27

We might have the optimum price/performance ratio in a different place, though ;-)
Posted: 03/05/2006 11:34

If you pick and choose in the range some XTR bits are worth having. Barbara is still using her M950 crankset on its original rings. The V-brakes made much less noise than XT back in the day. The headsets were very well sealed when others weren't.

Most of the group groupset is simply lighter than XT though and you pay a lot for each gram saved.
Posted: 03/05/2006 11:37

Good point on the Ti pads. If the compound is up to shitmano usual standards there'll be lots of spare little bits of titanium alloy strewn around garages and workshops up and down Britain. Anyway, surely it can't make that much difference - I smell a gimmick.
Posted: 03/05/2006 11:39

And the cables are much better now that the lower groups get spiral wound unsealed gear cables.
Posted: 03/05/2006 11:54

Sorry I'm entirely wrong, XTR and XO is the way to go, with a Ti Chain.























Wearing a Heavy Deore Mech around your Kneck, with a heavy chain would just suck.



Posted: 03/05/2006 11:58

Chris King, should move into selling, Rings,Ear rings and necklaces you guys would just buy the lot.


Posted: 03/05/2006 12:09

I've just done a massive U-turn, been having a good look on the Shimano website and I think its going to look good when fitted.
Trust me!


So there.
Posted: 03/05/2006 13:32

I do like the adjustability/adaptablility of it all. It makes a lot of sense and it's good to see that Shimano have taken it on board.

And as for stealth black? Mmm! :-D
Posted: 03/05/2006 13:38

Oh yeah just jump on my bandwagon Pimp!

;-)
Posted: 03/05/2006 13:52

It was rolling and heading in the right direction...

:-)
Posted: 03/05/2006 14:09

Actually sorry Pimp, reading back I've jumped on your Bandwagon!

;-\
Posted: 03/05/2006 14:13

Alright Smidge, calm down lad, only an observation!

I agree with you on the consumables thing Mike, I have to admit that whilst I'll build a new bike with an XTR cassette, when it comes to replacing it I usually opt for XT, there just isn't a particularly appreciable difference, particularly when parts are at different stages of shagged-ness!
Posted: 03/05/2006 14:50

I tend to run XT as a general rule for that reason – it seems to be a good balance of function, weight and durability. XTR is apparently very very durable, making it great VFM in the long term, but it's a bit of a risk running a £150 rear mech!

Saying that, I do like the look of the XTR shifters and my LX ones are on the way out...
Posted: 03/05/2006 14:58

Shifters are somewhere that, IMO, it's worth spending up on. The posh ones are just a lot nicer to use. And they last a long time.
Posted: 03/05/2006 15:15

I am very over the moon happy with my XT flappers.

I thought they would have bust by now but have proved to be super in every way. Especially now I have the correct sort of rear mech.
Posted: 03/05/2006 16:21

joining in late...they sure are ugly.

think that the rest of the groupset is (aesthetically at least) spot on. can't wait to get my hands on one of those r mechs - partly because i was so impressed with the M960 and partly because it looks so damn sexy.
Posted: 03/05/2006 16:23

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