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2008 Deore XT: First riding impressions

A few notes from some rides on early (but finished) examples of Shimano's latest groupset


Posted: 11 July 2007
by Mike Davis

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We brought you an early look at Shimano's all-new 2008 Deore XT groupset a while ago (part 1, part 2). Since then we've been to some bike launches and had a chance to get some riding time in on the new parts - expect to see a lot of XT on 2008 bikes.

We'll start with the things that don't really feel any different from the saddle. Perhaps slightly surprisingly, the new XT cranks stick with the twin pinch-bolt arrangement for the non-drive side arm rather than the new XTR style of an axial bolt and bearing preload doofer. The arms are a new shape, which most people (us included) find a little disappointing in terms of appearance - the current cranks are quite distinctive, but the '08 ones, well, aren't. Durability should be improved, though, especially with the introduction of a steel/carbon fibre middle ring instead of the old aluminium one. It'll come as no surprise to hear that the front shifting is swift and snappy.

The innovative stuff is elsewhere. The big news is the rear Shadow derailleur, with a low-profile design that not only promises a number of benefits but looks likely to deliver. Once you see one actually mounted on a bike it makes a great deal of sense. The fixed part of the mech lies entirely inside the end of the QR nut, so is less likely to get bashed if you fall over. In most gears, the front end of the parallelogram is inside the nut too, but even when it isn't, that's the bit that moves in and out - hit it and it should just swing out of the way.

Also very welcome is the more direct cable routing. Rather than the big loop of housing of old, the Shadow design uses a short, straight length (along very similar lines to SRAM's mechs, only without making a turn around a cam on the mech itself). The whole thing looks very clean, and works a treat (although we had to do a bit of fiddling, what with manufacturer's launch bikes often being assembled in a bit of a hurry...).

Driving the mechs are new shifter pods. They're along very similar lines to the already-popular XTR ones, but don't have the Multi-Release feature that lets you shift multiple gears in both directions. You get a bi-directional trigger that you can operate with finger or thumb, but the current shifters have that too. The new ones are much neater-looking and are just fine in use, but expect to see a fair few bikes getting an upspec to the XTR units to get Multi-Release. We didn't particularly miss it ourselves, but then we haven't really managed to get the hang of not getting two gears at once on XTR when using our thumbs to upshift.

Finally we have the brakes, and this is the other place where XT gets the innovation. The calipers are very XTR-esque, and the levers are clearly also closely related. But the XT levers incorporate Servo-Wave - a variable leverage ratio through the lever stroke. From rest, moving the lever a small amount drives the pads a long way, allowing them to sit further from the rotor to reduce drag. Once they've reached the rotor, a cam in the lever gears up the action to move the pads less for a given lever movement to increase power.

The system also incorporates what Shimano calls "free stroke adjustment", altering how much lever travel there is before any actual braking occurs. Combined with the usual reach adjustment you should be able to get the feel that you want. The brakes take a little getting used to, though. Initially there's a sense of nothing happening for ages and then all the braking at once, but once you get the feel of it they're really rather good. Shimano claims a 20% power increase, but the most obvious difference to us is how much quieter they run in grotty conditions. That little bit of extra pad clearance certainly seems to pay dividends.

So first impressions are good. The big question, of course, is how well all this stuff's going to last. A big box of XT stuff is winging its way BM-wards right now, so we'll keep you posted...


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The cranks do look outrageously bland.

I like the brakes and mech though.
Posted: 11/07/2007 14:48

I know I have said this before but the brake levers are my personal favourite from the group.
Posted: 11/07/2007 14:59

The brake levers are nice and a smart new no ones done before system, so hats off there.

And I like the sound design wise of the new rear mech to.


Finally trying some different, rather than repeating the same old design, with a different Logo on.


Posted: 11/07/2007 15:33

Amen Dylan. Finally Shimano play catch-up (cable loop gone) and bring some innovation (shadow).
Posted: 11/07/2007 15:38

The Variable rate on the brakes, is REALLY REALLY CLEVER and undone before.


Posted: 11/07/2007 15:43

XT brakes have always been good IMO. The new design sounds like bloody good idea to me as the one annoyance with any disc setup is pad clearance and 'zinging' in anything other than bone dry conditions.

Shame I've 2 sets of the current XT with no problems. Can't justify the upgrade (yet).
Posted: 11/07/2007 15:50

As far as I know the new levers will be retro compatible with old calipers. £80 rrp for a pair but you know you will get them cheaper. Go on, treat yourself.
Posted: 11/07/2007 15:59

*is tempted*

Are the new calipers basically old XTR?
Posted: 11/07/2007 16:01

They look basically like current XTR, nowt like M960 stuff.
Posted: 11/07/2007 16:10

Cheers HRP. I really didn't need any encourangement. You do realise this is going to cause an argument between me and the missus don't you?

Me. "Mind if I drop on £160 on 2 sets of brake levers to replace the current perfectly functional brake levers on both my mountain bikes? The are slightly different and technically better, but being a girl, you wouldn't understand even if I explained it."

Her. "You want to %^**^$ing do (*&& what!!!!"

Me. "It's a worthwhile upgrade. Really. I can't live without it."

Her. "Fcuk off. We're parents now and need to be more careful with our money."

Me. "You always say that and then blow money on Heat magazine, moisturiser, shampoo and new clothes every week you cheeky cow."

Her. *punches me*

Me. *ouch*.

Still, worth asking I suppose.
Posted: 11/07/2007 16:15

LOL! Do it, and film it, I wanna know how accurate your transcript was!
Posted: 11/07/2007 16:17

Sorry 4AM. What about the new XTR shadow mech? You know you NEED one of those too.
Posted: 11/07/2007 16:20

Good point HRP. Afterall that Shadow rear mech will save you buying a new one if you fall off and break it.
Posted: 11/07/2007 16:22

AAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHH!

*runs away and slams door*
Posted: 11/07/2007 16:22

Mind if I Thats where your problem started, just don't tell her, EASY :)


Posted: 11/07/2007 16:22

That looks like Acera. Not ideal if you ask me.
Posted: 11/07/2007 19:23

Who cares what it looks like ?? Well not me!!


Posted: 11/07/2007 19:30

That doesn't surprise me at all Dylan.


The way something looks clearly doesn't bother you.



(I now know this as I have seen a picture of you)
Posted: 11/07/2007 19:45

I think I'll be swapping my XTR RF for the new XT. Just never got the hang of the multi-release and I really miss the shifter windows.
Posted: 11/07/2007 22:25

Yes Carlos I'm STRAIGHT and not a PONCE no interest to me how things look, woman yes but still secondary to personality, but thats it.


Posted: 11/07/2007 23:08

whats this about women having personalities
Posted: 11/07/2007 23:35

Yeah okay thats obviously not serious!!!


Posted: 12/07/2007 00:13

Shadow mech already has a space booked on my susser. Like the idea of it a lot.
Posted: 12/07/2007 11:59

Does anyone know if the '08 XTR disc brake uses the non-linear Servo-Wave movement of the '08 XT?
Posted: 26/07/2007 11:55

Don't think they do, as they claim 20% more power than XTR, you can fit the new Levers to XTR calipers though if you want to.



Posted: 26/07/2007 12:02

AFAIK the XTR levers are unchanged for 2008.
Posted: 26/07/2007 12:05

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