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Cotic Soul 2010

Do-it-all steel frame gets updated. We take it for a spin


Posted: 2 March 2010
by David Arthur

cotic soul
In 'burly' guise
cotic soul
The mark of quality tubing

The Cotic Soul is a modern classic. For 2010 it's been updated. Originally conceived way back in 2003, the updated frame is still made from quality Reynolds 853 tubing but has been tweaked and fettled with to make it comply with new CEN tests.

Changes include a stiffer ovalised top tube and a new 631 head tube, and out back new machined cowled dropouts with a replaceable hanger. Build quality is excellent, with tidy welds and the new gloss black paint finish (shockingly bright orange also available) really showing off the frame well. Details include tapered gussets around the top and down tubes and on the chainstay just behind the bottom bracket and well placed cable and disc guides. Geometry remains unchanged.

As a result of these changes, the frame now gets the thumbs up for 140mm forks. Keen to find out how it rides following the most significant update since it first launched, Cotic sent us a test bike with a burly build kit focused around a Magura Thor 140mm fork. With a 20mm bolt-through axle and the stumpy stem and massively wide handlebars, steering is precise and accurate. The rest of the spec follows a similar path; chunky Maxxis High Roller 2.35in tyres, Bontrager stem, handlebars and seatpost and a smattering of Shimano XT and SLX in the transmission and braking departments.

The build shows off the capability of the frame perfectly. With the forks set up with a generous amount of sag, we hit the trails. And hit them hard, for the Soul is game for some tough punishment and hard riding. The bigger forks highlight how strong and solid the frame is and, despite the long fork, the handling remains enjoyably nimble and swift.

The upshot of the long-travel fork is that it allows you to be generous (or lazy) with your line choice, ploughing undeterred through mountains of rocks and tangled roots. Climbing isn't a chore either - with a long fork it should be, but it never was. With some careful setting up of saddle position (involving shoving it forward a tad) and bar height it's completely manageable, and we didn't even need to shift forward right over the bars on the steeper stuff to keep the forks from wondering. It just remains stable all of the time, handling like a frame with a shorter travel fork.

The best thing is that it just never felt out of depth. Not once. And I did try. I was surprised, and reminded, of just how capable a sorted hardtail can be on a variety of trails. While the build seen here represents one extreme of the available versatility inherent in the Soul, it should be remembered that it can be equally happily built as a XC speed machine. Swap the forks, wheels and tyres to something lighter and it could be pressed into service as a race or enduro bike.

The 2010 Soul costs £470 (including Hope Seat QR, neoprene chain-stay protector and UK delivery) and is available in three sizes and two colours. Medium frame weight is is 4.4lb.

Got a Soul? Why not let us know how you get on with it and add your review here http://www.bikemagic.com/reviews/bikes/hardtail-frames/cotic-soul/reader-reviews/15575.html


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This really is one of the bikes i would like to own at some point.

humm, when is my bonus paid?


Posted: 02/03/2010 16:05


Alx

I'll have an orange one please

http://www.cotic.co.uk/product/interface/soul/gallery_loose/big/Soul1.jpg



Posted: 02/03/2010 16:12

Why when you have an equivalent Ti Cotic?


Posted: 02/03/2010 16:13


Alx
Because I'm greedy
Posted: 02/03/2010 16:15


http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/771/img5439o.jpg


any old excuse


Posted: 02/03/2010 16:49

@david arthur

 the frame size you've been testing is a large (19"), right?


Posted: 03/03/2010 08:23

Oooh, they are quite nice aren't they
Posted: 03/03/2010 08:29

@urs - That is the 19"/Large.
Posted: 03/03/2010 08:49

cy@cotic as you here, when you revamp the simple, any chance of putting rack mounts on it. i assume you will be redoing it, with the new alfine hubs coming out later this year, I think demand for slot dropout frames will increase.
Posted: 03/03/2010 08:57

oh and nicer colours as well, the builders tea and espresso are a bit dull
Posted: 03/03/2010 08:58

urs hofmann wrote (see)

@david arthur

 the frame size you've been testing is a large (19"), right?

See Cy got there before me. Yup, 19in. Fitted me perfectly and I'm 5' 11". Good stretch even with the short stem, didn't feel cramped one bit


Posted: 03/03/2010 11:32

Yep, I got the new frame (in orange) as a replacement.

My bike shop broke by accident my old frame and immediately offered to pay for a new one (I'm still not that sure how they broke it).

IMO it's much better, I'm still using it with my 130mm rev which is just fine but it is noticeably stiffer laterally and around the BB when you put some power into the peddles.

The whole frame looks more proffesional too, the old chainstays looked a bit of an after thought but now it just looks so much cleaner and the cable routing is better too. 

So yes I'm a very happy bunny with this here new frame.

The only problem now is I may need to change my fork so i can exploit the extra 10mm


Posted: 04/03/2010 10:54

I had a 140 fox fork on my soul when I first got it, but the front end got a bit wandery when climbing steep things, took it down to 120 and its perfect, to be honest I don"t think its suitable for a 140 fork because of the geometry, no matter how much they stiffen it.
Posted: 04/03/2010 11:25

This frame has certainly thrown open an interesting debate about fork/bar/handlebar setup, and Cy from Cotic has written a blog post about the subject. Worth a read
Posted: 04/03/2010 11:40

Well I was running 140 forks with a 90mm no rise stem, and saddle as far forward as possible on an inline seatpost, with 120 forks I am running a 90mm 10 degree rise stem, theoretically the handlebars should as near as dam it be in the same position. Its more than where your body is, IMO 140 forks on that bike make a "chopper" out of the front end (slight exaggeration maybe). Its not a problem a lot of the time, but not good on steep climbs.

It seems that a lot of manufacturers now claim 80-140mm forks compatibility, but usualy that means there is a sweet spot somewhere between them


Posted: 04/03/2010 12:35

MSP - How tall are you?
Posted: 04/03/2010 14:22

188cm or 6'2" in old money
Posted: 04/03/2010 14:40

Monkey Space Pilot (El Capitan) wrote (see)
188cm or 6'2" in old money

Hmm, same here. You're on a large (19") frame? *Ponders  whether to replace 853 Inbred with Soul/Simple...........or Sirius................or Pace 104*
Posted: 04/03/2010 16:11

Well the soul as I currently have it set up is just perfect for me, it just feels completely right, and it is a lovely frame, far far far better than the inbred 456 it replaced.

I will also soon have a sirius, so will be able to give a comparative review. Although I will be setting it up slightly different.


Posted: 04/03/2010 16:56

I had a 140 fox fork on my soul when I first got it, but the front end got a bit wandery when climbing steep things,

Anything with a fork that long feels 'A bit wandery' when climbing steep things, imo.


Posted: 04/03/2010 18:29

not always a bad thing either, can be quite helpful on a rocky trail.
Posted: 04/03/2010 19:19

Thing I like most about the old soul is the flex it has in the frame,smoothes things out just right yet you still feel nice and planted to the trail.Lets you feel safe at speed over the rough stuff.Hope the new frame retains that false back suspention feeling or will it make for a harsher ride since its all been stiffened up.

Running mine with 140 revs and yeah I am getting a 15mm spacer put in just so it can quicken up in tight singletrack.


Posted: 04/03/2010 19:48

Quin - it still have that same ace Soul feel.  It's not stiffer at the back, and it's not stiffer vertically either.  The Ovalform top tube just helps keep the wheels a little more inline along the length of the bike when you're hauling on 710mm wide bars or are running super stiff bolt thru forks.  It's subtle, because I very much didn't want to throw away what made the Soul a Soul in the first place.
Posted: 05/03/2010 09:21

OK, stop it now, I'm begining to get that Soul feeling...................Lady G will not be amused.
Posted: 05/03/2010 10:29


http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v333/162/118/735310673/n735310673_882200_9795.jpg


Posted: 05/03/2010 10:31

The cove handjob is like that, it has a very stiff front end and lovely springy rear, mega downhill and great in the twisty stuff. I want another.
Posted: 05/03/2010 10:36

Go on go on! You know you want to! So far as geometry gubbings go, I have a rev set to about 130mm on mine with a straight setpost and a 90mm stem with low risers (not wide ones). Works ok for me, goes up most stuff ok like that.
Posted: 05/03/2010 12:30

Go on go on! You know you want to!

Don't say that. You'll have Hobo in a right mess.


Posted: 05/03/2010 12:35

Have i mentioned i saw her naked this week


Posted: 05/03/2010 14:03

Yeah, I think you did.
Posted: 05/03/2010 16:12

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