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Pioneering UK light manufacturer returns to the battlefield fully tooled up


Posted: 5 August 2009
by Mike Davis

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Back in 1997, Lumicycle shook up the bike light market with the introduction of its simple, effective halogen lights that matched the performance of the various US imports around at the time but were lots cheaper. Times move on, though, and with the advent of high-power LED technology other brands have moved to the fore. But now Lumicycle is fighting back.

Just announced is the LEDSystem4, packing four Cree XRE-R2 emitters and custom driver circuitry into a robust anodised aluminium head. Lumicycle claims 1,120 lumen total output, with a choice of 6° spot or 13° flood beam patterns.

The LEDSystem4 has five settings (including flash), with a cunning up/down toggle switching system that avoids having to go via "low" if you want to change from "high" to "medium". In traditional Lumicycle style, batteries are separate, with a choice of compact 2.6Ah or long-lasting 5.2Ah packs. Claimed run times with the 2.6Ah are 2.2 hours in the brightest "Smart Boost" mode, 3.6 in the 800 lumen High mode, 9 in the 400 lumen Low mode (and that's still a fair amount of light) and 31 in the be-seen Commute mode. You can roughly double those numbers for the bigger battery.

With a choice of two lamp units and two battery capacities (with the added options of having the bigger battery in a bag or a bottle and a choice of single or twin leads on all batteries), there's an impressive array of LEDSystem4 options. If you've already got batteries (it'll run off anything between 12 and 16.8V, just make sure the plug's the right way round), Lumicycle will sell you just the lamp unit for £239.99. Full systems start at £329.99 including a 2.6Ah battery and 3 hour fast charger, with other off-the-peg options including a setup with two small batteries or - if 1,120 lumens isn't enough for you - a twin-headlamp spot/flood monster with a total output of 2,240 for 2.2hours. That one's £599.99, or £629.99 if you'd like it with two small batteries rather than one big one, plus a helmet mounting kit.

If all that sounds a bit enthusiastic, Lumicycle also has the LEDSystem3 using three of the same LED emitters. Everything else is the same, you just get 25% lower output and the concomitant 25% longer runtime. It's also somewhat cheaper, with full systems starting at £249.99.

Full details at www.lumicycle.com.


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Al

Couldn't resist commenting...

Two of my riding mates have 13deg system 3 and they are plenty bright, outgunning my HID light.  Both of their units are quite quick to reduce the power to prevent overheating, though.  Thats a good thing, but maybe the housing is too small for the necessary heat dissipation at full power, relying heavily on the thermal cutout to prevent overtemperature.  Usual beef about claimed output by quoting Cree's figures, not real world.

Kudos for not going the cheaper/lower output route of others mfr's using Seoul P4's.  If the unit can be updated with XP-G's when they finally emerge, its a winner over other current 4 LED units - you know which ones I'm talking about.  Small bolts on the front suggest the unit might be accessible, which is good.

Of the lights available today, this is closest to my ideal.  The spec is very similar to a well established homebrew design, which I see as a good thing.

The fly in this ointment is:

http://www.hidtechnologies.com.au/Lumen8RLEDQuad.htm

Similar spec except for the 18.5v 4ah lipo (substantially longer run times, won't dip out of full power until the battery protection kicks in), if you're prepared to risk importing and sacrifice customer support, or the Quadblaast unit: 

http://www.nightlightning.co.nz/endurenz%20details.htm


Posted: 06/08/2009 15:19

Samples of the lights have now arrived here. You can indeed undo the front and access the emitter assembly, and Lumicycle specifically mention the possibility of upgrading the emitters.

I know what you're getting at with the claimed output thing, but everyone does it so it's some sort of level playing field, I guess. What matters is what they look like on the trail, have to wait and see for that one


Posted: 06/08/2009 15:37

Are your buddies locking the Lumis into the Boost mode? Or are they shutting down quickly from High? What sort of times are we talking about?
Posted: 06/08/2009 15:38

Looks like a nice light however there are lot of other brighter, nice beams out there. Was looking at a betty as one had the 12 and its crazy! Then one got a light from an aussie company. A couple more buds hooked up and got them and man are they great. Finally saved up an ordered mine and cannot wait. Great reviews from magazines too so gotta be patient. www.radical-lights.com These have not dimmed on high as far as I know so looks the business. Gotta stop yearning for postman !
Posted: 06/08/2009 19:09


Al

Mike 

One of them was leaving the unit in boost, but not locking into boost.  When standing still that clearly isn't wise, and I suggested that he powered down to low when we stand still waiting for the stragglers.  The other is less clear, it had stepped down whilst riding, which was a surprise.  It is possible that his Lumi battery is now quite old, he bought the lamp on its own.

Whilst poking around inside the unit, was the driver accessible and was it a TaskLED Bflex by any chance?  The fact that you discuss locking the light suggests it may well be as that's a function on that driver.  If so, it's reassuring that Lumi have chosen a quality driver.

Interesting that the 4 R2 QuadBlaast at £130 is only £10 dearer than the 3 R2 MiniBlaast already a reasonable £120 (plus a chunk of shipping and customer support is a fair hike) but Lumi's System 4 is £240, System 3 is £160.

One more LED for a staggering £80!  That is hard to justify and makes the System 3 the better buy, by some margin.  What were Lumi thinking of?


Posted: 06/08/2009 22:55


Al

James

Appears to be essentially identical light (same Ledil Cute 4 optic and Cree R2's) unit to the Quadblaast and the Lumen8r  Much nicer looking housing though.


Posted: 06/08/2009 23:19

I haven't actually taken it apart, I'm just aware that you can I'll have a little look.

I like the up/down switch very much, having to cycle around low/med/high/back to low irritates me.

My attention has also been drawn to these: http://www.four4th.co.uk/four4th_led_light_sets.shtml


Posted: 07/08/2009 10:00

One of them was leaving the unit in boost, but not locking into boost.

I think that might be what I mean - if you flick it up into Boost it only stays there for three minutes before automatically dropping back to High, but you can force it to stay Boosted. Definitely not a good idea if not moving


Posted: 07/08/2009 10:05

Have to say that i think lumicyles are a little bit behind with this light. The seoul P7 is out now, with 4 led dies on one chip, giving you 900 lumnes from a single LED, same as used in the new exposure light. the price of the leds and drivers that are may be used in this unit have dropped massivly in price over the last year, lumicycles should bang these out for £150 and dominate the market like the old halogen lights. whilst serving up a clever P7 light combo at a 1/4 of the size. just think what a hope 2 light will be like with twin p7s, 1800 lumens max in a tiny casing, even allowing for the extra heat and so heatsinking that will be needed they will blow these away. And i bet hope are building some, if not then they are really missing a treat.
Posted: 07/08/2009 11:08


Al

Mike

Having read the manual, you are right, they are riding on high and switched to the temporary boost, which then switched back down again.

Serge

On the contrary, I think that they ignored the P7 & MC-E LED's is to their credit - and their balance sheet too!  If you stick to the LED mfr's recommendations, both 4 die packages are rated to 700mA, the single die Seoul P4 & Cree XR-E R2 are rated to 1000mA, hence brighter, though less efficient.

If Cree would make the MC-E with R2 rated dies, that gap would be closed but I can't see them doing that (assuming its technically OK) until the XP-G package is released, as they can probably sell as many R2's as they can make at the moment to the torch mfr's.  When that does happen, those R2 based lights can be updated with XP-G's and stay ahead of the multi-dies again.

The 900lm commonly bandied around is optimistic.  At 790lm quoted, the Q5 based M-bin is the brightest MC-E, and the quoted 900lm for the P7 is based upon the D-bin, if you can actually find one, not the commonly available C-bin.  700lm has been the higest REAL lumen figures that I have seen discussed for either, and that is with a top driver and enough battery power.  Other sources put the bargain basement single cell P7 & MC-E torches in the 400-550lm territory, still pretty bright.  The problem with driving the power hungry multi-dies is that you need at least two cells in series to run them effectively so that the (most frequently used) buck driver can provide sufficient current as the cell voltage drops over time.

In addition, getting a tight beam with the multi-die chips is more difficult, reflectors have to be larger to focus those unruly lumens.  Apparently the best optic yet is the Ledil Iris, physically larger and heavier than the Ledil Cute 4 optic.  I bought MC-E's and irises for my (currently mothballed) homebrew and am not convinced that it is a better option than the 4 way route adopted by Lumi and others for their lights.

That said, the multi-dies do lend themselves to bar mount floody beams.  Of course, you might as well just buy the ill disguised Tesla copy - $80 Magicshine from DX or Geoman, it will be cheaper in the long run, but not as much fun.


Posted: 07/08/2009 12:11

The seoul P7 is out now, with 4 led dies on one chip, giving you 900 lumnes from a single LED, same as used in the new exposure light.

Although you'll note that Exposure still does the four-emitter Maxx-D as its top-end light - it's replaced the 3-LED Enduro with a P7-based unit.


Posted: 07/08/2009 12:21

one of the main problems with going to the P7 would be just the change of battery, you require around 7 volts and 5 amps to get the 2 hour burn time, you also need different constant current sources as the p7 requires 2.8 amps constant, all the single die units are only an amp. I would guess atlot of people with lights may buy new head units at £100 but not a new battery and charger costing a further £150 I am building a home made p7 unit at the moment, and getting some optics for P7s from polymer optics. I am also building by own pwm dimming circuit amd constant current circuit for it. i must say that being a keen night rider, we its the only time i get bike lights are great at the moment, they have really reached the point where it being dark is not a huge limitation, you can illuminate the trail so that darkness is not really a limiting factor in speed, the run times make all but the lonest rides possible, gone are the early days of 5 and 10 watt units that only lasted 45 minutes on full.
Posted: 07/08/2009 14:06

http://www.bikemagic.com/gallery/image.asp?sp=&v=7&uabn=129&uin=5292 my home brew lights, (mike why can i not have the advanced forum editor, and the basic one seems broken to) i used optics from dot light to give me a range of spot and spread. the p7 unit i plan for a 35degree throw and then use a P4 unit as head torch.
Posted: 07/08/2009 14:11


Al
Thats a tidy light, won't be trying to teach you how to suck eggs any more.
Posted: 07/08/2009 14:20

(mike why can i not have the advanced forum editor, and the basic one seems broken to)

Er, don't know


Posted: 07/08/2009 14:32

i shall just live with not being able to post links and piccys, when i am on the basic editor non of the link, image etc keys work, wehn i am on advanced they just do not appear.
Posted: 07/08/2009 15:10

Try logging out and back in again. Or deleting your BM cookie. Er. Or something.
Posted: 07/08/2009 15:23

destined for a career in IT Mr Davis, though you need to work on your "have you tried a restart" !
Posted: 07/08/2009 15:25

I was reasonably sure that that wouldn't work
Posted: 07/08/2009 16:22

you are correct, it hasn`t worked. i just have Waiting for Http://bikemagic.com/forum/forummessages/mps/dt/4/utn/96948/last/1/v/6/sp/... at the bottom of the screen all the time.
Posted: 07/08/2009 16:30

bloody hell its suddenly back!

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Posted: 07/08/2009 16:31

gone again
Posted: 07/08/2009 16:31

try another browser.
Posted: 08/08/2009 08:43

Mate has a set of these and output is wicked. http://www.radical-lights.com/4Lnarrow.php
Posted: 20/09/2009 21:15

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