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Pete Jones's Klein winter bike

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Posted: 5 November 2002
by Pete Jones

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Rigid and proud

Winter bike, eh? Just building it up now as it 'appens, although it won't be getting used until the spring.

Warranty replacement frame (i.e. I don't care if it gets trashed) with rigid forks and hydraulic brakes. I've deliberately chosen Magura rim brakes for the rear because it means I can get medieval with the WD40 on the drivetrain after a wet ride, without worrying about pad/disc contamination.


Old meets new

Speaking of drivetrains: thumbshifters and an eight speed cassette. Why bother with anything else? Couple that with my own handbuilt wheels (Hope XC hubs) and I'm ready to go. Maintenance? I don't need no steenkin' maintenance...

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Maybe not such a good winter bike after all. I had my doubts about the downtube/internal cable routing on the Kleins, but this aspect of it hadn't occurred to me. What possible bloody benefit does this kind of cable routing have?
Posted: 30/01/2003 11:40

Hmmm... that's not so good. Maybe it's to take advantage of the ice's amazing slippy characteristics, to lube the cable? Or maybe it was designed for a slightly drier climate...
Posted: 30/01/2003 11:46

erm, WTF is that?
Posted: 30/01/2003 11:52

frozen mud on the bottom of a bike
Posted: 30/01/2003 11:53

I'm just guessing
Posted: 30/01/2003 11:53

ive never seen such a thing..... brrr, i feel all cold now
Posted: 30/01/2003 11:54

Get a singlespeed, and then you won't have these problems.
Posted: 30/01/2003 11:55

"What possible bloody benefit does this kind of cable routing have" simple answer.... none thought never really crossed my mind, but you're right. cant think of why you'd put a crucial part of the mechanics in the mud
Posted: 30/01/2003 11:57

Not frozen mud - water ice. The deeper running water is still moving (just) but when it splashes up on the bike it instantly freezes into a mask. I also had one of those 'magic moments' after I rode through a stream then straight into a climb - started down the subsequent downhill section, whacked on the brakes....oops, nothing, front disk and rear rim sheets of ice. Yikes!
Posted: 30/01/2003 12:02

Hmmm - maybe you should get out less ! So what's next ? Heated disks ?
Posted: 30/01/2003 12:28

Gore-tex cables, I think, that's the only solution I can see. I used to swear by them, although I was mainly swearing AT them the last two sets I used (sheath pulling through into the shifters).
Posted: 30/01/2003 12:39

Cover the offending bits in clingfilm. (may not help but should look stupid)
Posted: 30/01/2003 13:21

So did you stick it in the big ring just for the picture??? That does look a bit mad...what about spraying the bottom bracket area with some GT-85 before heading out? It may help stop the water from 'bonding' and icing the frame... Another idea may be to try a Scotoiler filled with Anti-freeze and drip it down the cable from the head tube...then it exits the system and still stops the freezing...
Posted: 30/01/2003 13:41

No, Latrigg descent back into Keswick (no walkers!); front shifting was OK, dragging the chain up onto the big ring, it was getting the small rings at the back that was the problem. A pity, because other than that the bike's great (I particularly like Brant's On-One forks, very forgiving without being harsh). I'm actually going to have to put on bigger chain rings than the standard 22-32-44 setup: the bike's so damn fast I'm spinning out on the flat. It's unusally cold, of course - it's not often you can ride in a Buffalo top without sweating, but I managed it today.
Posted: 30/01/2003 14:12

Non stick cooking spray works a treat, giving your frame a silky Teflon coating.
Posted: 30/01/2003 14:14

tried the wd40 trick once... it works like a trat, but i feel it can get a little expensive
Posted: 30/01/2003 14:16

The cooking spary is cheaper. Or is it the thought of cooking that frightens you Mr Ste? (Mmmmm, horseradish!)
Posted: 30/01/2003 14:18

Forgiving without being 'flexy', of course. Here she is.
Posted: 30/01/2003 14:19

mmmmm steak!
Posted: 30/01/2003 14:22

mmm v nice bike! i'll have to get some snaps of the tandem, i feel
Posted: 30/01/2003 14:23

Are those bar ends on rider bars? "....the horror...the horror" How do you find the panaracers in icy conditions? They are old favourites of mine but have never riden them in snow or ice.
Posted: 30/01/2003 14:41

Yup, thumbshifters too. Just call me 'Mr Chips'... The tyres are as crap as any others on hard ice. I just like them because I have had zero snakebites since getting them.
Posted: 30/01/2003 15:18

I've found them to be quite good on snow.
Posted: 30/01/2003 15:23

That article was a pretty shoddy effort on my part; I'd like to flesh it out a bit.

The shifting problems due to mud and ice build up were solved by routing the rear gear cable along the top tube, first with tape then latterly with stick-on hose guides. I had to stick with the front gears as they were, due to the lack of a seat tube cable stop. There were problems with tyre clearance and the Magura HS33 brakes, so I changed out the caliper half on an old set of C2s, enabling me to run them with the 22mm post mount frame fitting.

Once I'd sorted out the braking and gears, it became apparent the bike was a beautiful ride. I'd had a bunch of aluminium frames fail on me over a short space of time, so I was very sceptical about the Klein's longevity. In the end, it became much more than just a winter hacker, and got a lot of use as both a mountain bike and as a fully laden tourer.

It finally bit the bullet after three years, when the welds around the seat tube/BB area cracked. Not too bad, and Trek gave me a replacement!
Posted: 01/11/2006 11:06

Were ya bored or something Montgomery?

I like it when i get that ice effect on my bike. I dont like the fact that gears freeze etc, but cleaning the bike after a ride like that is the easiest job ever. The bike seems to come up like new when you melt the ice :-)

Here is my new baby Montgomery. What do you reckon?

Pipedreams Sirius
Posted: 01/11/2006 11:50

That's nice Hobo. I was thinking of getting one of them, but I reckon I will go for a Love/Hate from Dialled Bikes instead. How does it ride?
Posted: 01/11/2006 11:55

Loving it. Did an extended weekend of riding and it came through it with flying colours. It now has a few war wounds :-( and so does my arms/hip but that was because i was trying to find out what it & I was capable of.

For the money (£199 posted) i cant see the point in paying for others. 5yr guarentee as well.
Posted: 01/11/2006 12:04

Oh, just attention to detail - and yes, bored...although, I'm finding that my road bike is also a very competent singletrack flier now that I've taken the plunge. I'll try and take a pic tomorrow. It's convinced me that 29ers are one/the way to go - the 700cc wheels don't even look too 'wrong' under me, either: pic.
Posted: 01/11/2006 13:01

Could imagine a 29er suiting yer riding style.
Posted: 01/11/2006 13:14

Want me to add that update to the article, Monty?
Posted: 01/11/2006 13:22

Aye, why not? Throw in a link to the review as well, eh?
Posted: 01/11/2006 13:32

This morning - badly flattened & widened by the camera, this is actually a lovely steep, narrow singletrack section that drops off the local hills, cutting across the hairpins of a road that leads up to a radar dome.

Because of the skinny touring tyres (f28/r32), I have to reign it in on the drop-offs and ditches. As such, it's quickly become apparent that, even with the skinny tyres, the 700cc wheels roll through stuff that would've led to a diving stall on 26" wheels.

That Sirius looks nice, but....you need to get some bar ends on there, lad. Trust me - you'll wonder how you ever rode without them...
Posted: 03/11/2006 04:09

I will take yer word for it.

As i said above, 29" seems to make sense for your riding style. Not sure it suits everyone, but if yer strong enough to get the blooming things going in the first place, isnt the principle that they roll so much better once you are up to speed. Bumps etc are smoothed out a little more as well. Just a little less responsive than a 26" wheel.
Posted: 03/11/2006 09:21

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