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Pipedream goes aluminium and bouncy

After dabbling in Ti/Al full suspension, Pipedream's Torero all-alu 5.5in all-mountain frame breaks cover


Posted: 10 November 2006
by Mike Davis

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Regular readers may recall that a while back we had a go on a titanium full suspension prototype from Pipedream, a brand previously known for hardtails. The company sent it to us to see what we thought - it was a perfectly decent bike, but we weren't quite sure that Ti full suspension was what the market was waiting for. Plenty of good feedback from BM members seemed to arrive at a rare consensus.

At around the same time, a rise in titanium prices meant that a production frame would have got prohibitively expensive, so Pipedream went back to the drawing board - its Japanese and US wings were very keen to get Pipedream FS frames, so clearly it was worth pursuing.

After exploring various options, including combining other people's back ends with new front ends, Pipedream decided to return to something a little like its original concept, but in aluminium. That gave them a lot more flexibility to put material where it's needed and take it out from where it isn't.

The result is the Torero, a 140mm (5.5in) travel "all-mountain" frame using an FSR four-bar design. It's a pretty tidy-looking device - there aren't any gussets on it, with Pipedream using shaped and flared tubing instead. The downtube goes from flared to round to squarish on its journey from head tube to BB. There's clearly some sort of law that dictates that all FS frames have a curved top tube these days, but we rather like the forged top tube/upper pivot/seat tube/shock mount strut.

The frame weighs 6.8lb with an X-Fusion PVA platform shock (other shocks will be available as extra-cost options) - the prototype as pictured came in at just under 30lb complete. Angles are around 69/72 with a Fox 130mm fork.

The best bit, though, is the price. Pipedream's projected retail price for the Torero frame and shock is a very reasonable £699 (although that's yet to be confirmed). Hopefully we'll get a chance to see how it rides soon, but it certainly looks pretty smart and it's hard to argue with the value. Production frames should be available in January - have a look at www.pipedreamcycles.com for more information.

In other Pipedream-related news, BM staffer Dave has just bought himself a smart Sirius hardtail - he's getting parts together now, and it sounds like being rather splendid. Pics when its done...


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"its Japanese and US wings were very keen to get Pipedream FS frames"

But presumably this frame won't be available in the US?

Oh, Red Rock is ace!
Posted: 10/11/2006 13:01

I believe that it's licensed FSR.
Posted: 10/11/2006 13:14

Do Spesh actually charge for use of the patent or is it like Volvo with airbags and seatbelt pre-tensioners, in that they've patented them just so that they can protect the patent and keep it's use cost free to others?
Posted: 10/11/2006 13:18

Yes, Specialized do charge for the patent if you're selling outside UK/Europe.
Posted: 10/11/2006 13:31

On their site it says it's not available in USA.
Posted: 10/11/2006 13:57

It isn't a very high charge though. IIRC it's only about $1 per bike.

I vaguely remember something about the patent reaching its expiry date soon, sometime in the next couple of years or so. If that's correct it could be interesting to see who starts to use it afterwards.
Posted: 10/11/2006 13:59

Can't you just re-apply to renew a patent though? Wouldn't have thought Spesh would let that one go.
Posted: 10/11/2006 15:51

Mike, when dave gets round to fitting the front mech on his new sirius can he check out the tyre/mech clearance. I have about 2-3mm clearance at best (2.35 tyres) and have had to adjust the mech angle to compensate. Be interested to know.

New bouncy frame looks nice, but its bouncy so i am not allowed one.
Posted: 10/11/2006 15:59

Not much you can do about that if you want big tyres and short chainstays. I've got a Dialled here with about 1mm clearance ;-) I assume you've got the chainline right and everything.
Posted: 10/11/2006 16:20

Uncle barry did the fettling and i trust him so yeash thats all ok.

TBH everything works fine, i was just a little suprised at such little clearance. As you say its a design issue with short stays & big tyres.

I thought different fron mechs may have different clearances, but thinking about it, the shifter cage is still gonna have to be in the same place regardless of the mech type.
Posted: 10/11/2006 16:58

So is it basically the old Turner design then?
Posted: 10/11/2006 17:27

But about £700 less ( with the better matching shock on it )

Must admit I'd of been tempted with this, as I like the Turner ride wise, but to late :(


Makes my 4mm's of clearance sound great :) with a 2.4 on the rear.




Posted: 10/11/2006 21:06

x-fusion shock? i've seen 'em specced on cheap bikes, are they beginning to make a name for themselves?
Posted: 10/11/2006 21:08

They've got a new range out Mike, better quality, trying to move into the expensive end of the market.


Posted: 10/11/2006 21:10

hmm, i s'pose it'll be down to who wants to risk it

i considered buying a suntour duro rear mech, but then stuck with the norm, i would like to support other companies giving this stuff a go, but given the choice of tried and tested, or an unknown entity, i know which i'd choose
Posted: 10/11/2006 21:19

I'd risk a mech if it was cheaper and seemed as good, but a expensive and crucial to the ride quality shock, I'll leave to someone else :)

Why I said, with the extra shock upgrade :)


Posted: 10/11/2006 21:21

I've been riding the Aonach Mor now for nearly a year, and gotta say, its a great bike.

Took a bit of tweaking on the RP3 to get it dialled, but with a RC40Fighter and built not too heavy it works. Really well.

At 120mm front its good in the woods, and with 150mm its super stable downhill.

Tis a touch heavier than needs for an all day frame, but still looks like new and on first set of bearings after many a long day out in the peaks/crashes etc. Feels solid and sure footed. Fine on reasonable drops too.

If this new one rides like mine, but a bit lighter, it will be superb.

I am considering buying one to compare, but that would be daft :)


Posted: 19/11/2006 20:33

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