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World's biggest component maker announces "2005.5" components


Posted: 21 March 2005
by Mike Davis

Shimano has released details of a bunch of new parts for the 2006 model year. Actually most of what we're looking at here is scheduled to show up in July this year, so it's kind of 2005.5 in a way. The Big S is, as ever, keeping a lid on some of its future products, but even though there's no staggering innovations in this selection there's some good stuff.

RD-M751-GS_sml (6K) RD-M571-GS_sml (5K)

Most of it is additional components for existing groups, and it's probably celebration time for the Dual Control/Low Normal doubters. While Shimano did release a new XT-level Rapidfire Plus unit for 2005, it was clear that DC was where its focus lay. That's still the case, but there's a bunch of new brake levers and RF pods in the pipeline. Whether it's answering the needs of grumbly end-users or pick'n'mixing OEM product managers we're not sure (and from Shimano's point of view they're pretty much the same thing anyway) but it's good to have a choice.

You'll have to wait until September for new RF+ shifters at Deore LX (SL-M571) and Deore (SL-M511) levels, with new brake levers (XT hydraulic, XT cable and Deore LX cable) arriving in July. The levers have been restyled to match the design and colours of the rest of the groupsets. The news lots of people have been waiting for, though, is the arrival of new, "Top-Normal" rear derailleurs for Deore, LX and XT. While conventionally-sprung mechs have continued to be available, they've been from earlier incarnations of the groupsets so haven't really matched in terms of colour, design or graphics. The new ones have been restyled for a more coherent look. You won't get the oversized, wide-link design of the Low Normal equivalents, but if you can't (or won't) reprogram your shifting brain that won't bother you in the slightest. The LX and XT mechs will be available in long or mid-cage lengths.

Saint/Hone

FC-M601-2_sml (3K)

July will also see a couple of new additions to the Saint freeride and Hone "all-mountain" groups. Hone will get a 22-32-bashring variant of its existing Hollowtech II outboard bearing BB cranks. The new version will also have updated arms featuring a steel insert for the pedal threads.

SL-M800-R-6_sml (4K)

Saint gets another new shifter. It was launched without shifters, got DC units for 2005 and will shortly have an all-new Rapidfire pod. Rather than restyle an existing unit, Shimano has come up with a shifter specifically for DH and the end of the freeride spectrum that only uses one chainring - the Saint RF pod is a right-hand only deal. The difference between the Saint shifter and all the others is that the shifter clamp is designed to go outboard of the brake lever, putting the shift and brake levers closer together.

Wheels

WH-M565_sml (7K)

Also announced (although not available until January) is a new mid-range MTB wheelset. The WH-M565 wheels use the nipples-at-the-hub design seen on Shimano's other wheels, with 24 spokes. Hubs are Centerlock compatible for the current range of Shimano disc brakes, but the rims feature machined braking surfaces too so you can use Vs on them. Claimed weights are 961g front and 1,142g rear, which isn't super-light but the all-black wheels look pretty tidy.

Alivio

FC-M410_sml (5K) RD-M410-L_sml (4K)
SL-M410_sml (4K) BR-M431-L_sml (3K)

The last MTB thing to be announced is the all-new Alivio groupset. Alivio stuff puts in an appearance on some surprisingly expensive bikes, and the latest incarnation looks pretty good. A lot of Shimano's more recent developments haven't trickled down to this level. In fact, even some not-so-recent ones haven't - the bottom bracket and chainsets are still square-taper designs. It's eight-speed at the back and 22-32-42 (with Hyperdrive ramps and pins for smooth shifting) at the front, with a choice of Rapidfire+ pods or combined shifter/brake lever units.V-brakes have extended arms, which will give more power but are primarily for better mudguard clearance on trekking bikes - two versions will be available, one with cartridge-style brake pads and one with moulded pads. All the Alivio parts will be available in a choice of silver or black finish and there'll be a number of crank options to keep the OEMs happy.

Glimpse of the future?

That's about it for MTB stuff for now, although there's an interesting development on the road side that's got us thinking. The SL-R770 shifters are Rapidfire Plus units for Shimano's 10-speed road groups. They're intended for these flat-bar road bikes that keep threatening to take over the world, but it looks to us like a great opportunity to see if 10-speed can cut it off-road before Shimano actually makes a 10-speed MTB group. It does 10-speed 12-27 cassettes, which from an MTB perspective are an intriguing mix of old-school and new technology. Just need to find some sensibly-sized chainrings…


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Please Lord, not a 10spd MTB group. 9spd can only just cope with the gunk and 8spd was the optimum in my mind.
Posted: 23/03/2005 16:53

It's gonna happen sooner or later. Works well on the road!
Posted: 23/03/2005 22:00

So did 8 speed and 9 speed.
Posted: 23/03/2005 22:11

3spd Sturmy Archer is all you need
Posted: 23/03/2005 22:16


m@
It'd be nice to fill in them stupidly big gaps in the sprockets, but it'd clog so easy, I have enough trouble with my 9spd mech!
Posted: 23/03/2005 22:46

I wouldn't say I notice big jumps on my MTB, just becomes and issue on the road.

Shimano hold patents on a 14 speed block and some kerazy chain to go with it, how long before that comes out!?
Posted: 23/03/2005 23:22

and how long will it last?

does that mean 56 gears then?
Posted: 23/03/2005 23:24

If anyone can point me in the direction of suitably-sized 10spd chainrings, I'm going to try it out with the road stuff (when it appears) and see how it holds up :-)

FWIW I like 9spd. Or rather, I like having an 11-32 cassette without massive jumps in it.
Posted: 24/03/2005 01:01

Leaving my tandem out in the sun is enough to upset 9 speed indexing - I'm assuming its the frame expanding more than the cable that means I have to back off the adjusters. 10 speed isn't going to help things.

The number of MTBs I see with either no granny or a bash suggests their users find the current spread more than adequate.

The number of times I shift 2 cogs rather than 1 suggests the ratios are more than close enough together for me. It was only the 15-18 gap that bothered me with 7 speed.

10 speed {:^{


Posted: 24/03/2005 07:15


m@
Dont get me wrong, I love 10spd, but its suitability on a mtb is questionable.
Posted: 24/03/2005 08:29

Questionable yes. Probably a mistake yes. But I'm not going to dismiss it out of hand.

I agree with John that the current gear range is more than adequate, although people doing without a big ring are deliberately sacrificing top-end gearing for ground clearance rather than making a point about gear ratios, I think :-)
Posted: 24/03/2005 08:43

'does that mean 56 gears then?'
i'd say no, at the mo IIRC (and correct me if i'm wrong!) you can't run a 10 speed with a triple ring on road bikes, only 2 rings. (BTW, 42, not 56)

as i said, i could be completely wrong!

Posted: 24/03/2005 11:12

Hmm 10spd. Me see a Middleburn duo on the horizon to make use of them all. I've more than enough gears with 27. I rarely use the full range anyway.

Road with two rings yes, mtb with three rings and mud ???
Posted: 24/03/2005 11:16

I'd just try it with 9 speed rings Mike, sure it'll work. SRAM 9 speed chains work on 10 speed after all.
Posted: 24/03/2005 17:08


m@
I've run my 10spd on 9speed rings (for one ride of 113mi) and it worked fine!

Marv, there are 10spd triples in the form of the Ultegra cranks and the soon to be released Dura-Ace triple.
Posted: 24/03/2005 17:27

"I'd just try it with 9 speed rings Mike, sure it'll work"

Worth a try, I guess ;-)
Posted: 24/03/2005 17:44

ah. i'd only seen the dura-ace ones. thanks.
Posted: 24/03/2005 21:18

TBH, I never use anything above 44/14 and rarely use 22/32. I've often thought about a 'low hassle' drivetrain with an 8 speed chain, a single 28-30ish tooth chain ring and an 8 speed cassette that goes from 12 to 36. Big jumps in the cassette never bothered me - fucking about with maintenance and chain suck and crap covered gears does.

If you can get away with single speed then why not 8 gears?
Posted: 24/03/2005 22:05

'8 speed cassette that goes from 12 to 36' where you gonna get one of them!?
Posted: 24/03/2005 22:55

Also, a 8speed supporter 11-28 would do me, rarely use my 22/34.

ROHLF only way to go, for No bother maintenance, someone wanna give me £700 ish ??? PLEASE :)


Posted: 24/03/2005 23:08

I Only just upgrade from a 7Spd Freewheel to an 8 Spd Cassette, And its so much better, thanx to the 11t and the high end, but I dont really see why I would need 9 or 10

Anybody think we are likely to see a new Deore Soon?
Posted: 25/03/2005 18:40

8 speed cassette is fine for me at present just had to build up the legs a bit to cope with steep hills and only a 32 tooth ring
Posted: 25/03/2005 19:11

I've got 7speed, 11 - 38 I think it is on my Hardtail LOL, Mega Range cheap crap.

it's got a 52, on the front aswell though, makes for a good high speed road bike.

Must re assemble that soon.


Posted: 25/03/2005 19:15

Be an 11-34, if you had a 9 speed one it could be 11-34 without looking stupid! I only think 9 speed is best because all the cool stuff like Dual Control levers, hollow pin chains etc are all 9 speed, and because IMO it's the best :-)
Posted: 25/03/2005 19:44

It's true there have been some nice innovations in the 9 speed years. The latest SRAM 970 and high end Shimano chains are much stronger, the little rubber boots on the cables keep things moving, the bigger pulleys keep turning - now if all that technology were applied to 8 speed.

11 13 15 17 19 22 25 29 and a 26/38 double please Mrs Sram and Shimano
Posted: 25/03/2005 20:38

gears are for wimps, i allegedly have 27 only ever used 3, thats what ur legs are for!!
Posted: 31/03/2005 19:21


m@
What's wrong with 20spd?
Posted: 01/04/2005 03:10

The cogs are too close together m@

On the road a dérailleur with the top pulley very close to the cogs works OK. Unless they make a mech with a really radical slant pantograph I think the pulleys will be too far from the cassette to give clean changes on the smaller cogs.

Setting up a 9 speed is already difficult. How many of the riders you follow change down 2 and up 1 to get the chain off the smallest cog? Add mud, wear and tear and I can't see the change being better than 9 speed. I want a better change not more gears.
Posted: 01/04/2005 09:00

20speed, will be fine, just make the rear of the bike twice as fat, and sorted ugggg



Posted: 01/04/2005 10:31

singlespeed all the way!
Posted: 01/04/2005 11:15

Ten works fine on the road unless its shimano, Campag 10sp works fantastically and as a cyclocross bike 10sp campag also works awesomely well and thats with the 130mm rear spacing of a cross wheel so I'd say it's possible, especially as the 10speed shimano road cassette is NARROWER than a 9sp road or mtb cassette
Posted: 02/04/2005 20:03


m@
"Ten works fine on the road unless its shimano"

Actually, 10spd Dura-Ace is excellent, at least you dont get them shite shifters that Campag make!
Posted: 02/04/2005 20:20

seriously though i dont see what the point is in 10speed when 9 is enough - more isnt better
Posted: 03/04/2005 11:36

More impresses, the kiddys and MTBer's with loads of money and no clue.

Shoulda stuck at 8 really.


Posted: 03/04/2005 12:09

do you think campag will ever go mtb? (have they ever?)
Posted: 03/04/2005 15:40


m@
"seriously though i dont see what the point is in 10speed when 9 is enough - more isnt better"

You haven't got a larger range of gears, but more ratios in the same spread. This means that there are smaller gaps between ratios, which is useful on the road where you dont want to be jumping round too much. Time-triallists tend to use 11-21 cassettes eg. 11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,20,21. This means that they can keep a nice smooth pedalling rhythm through out.
Posted: 03/04/2005 17:15

'10speed shimano road cassette is NARROWER than a 9sp road or mtb cassette' no, it's exactly the same width, the sprockets are narrower and closer together, but the entire cassette is the same. As is 8 for that matter.

Campag used to do MTB stuff, but it was worse than their road stuff, and people realised how much better the big S was, so they gave up. It's only a matter of time before people realise...
Posted: 03/04/2005 22:33


m@
Errm Nick, then if it's not narrower then why do you need to put a spacer at the back of the cassette on non-10spd hubs.
Posted: 04/04/2005 09:01

Thankyou m@ for correcting Nick Evans who has clearly never seen the new 10speed. Thankyou also to m@ who also correctly pointed out that just the same as cars with close ratio gears are BETTER! yes 8 is perfectly good but for the same money you can now buy something better!!!! its called.............10 speed!!!!! or 9 for those of us with a healthy addiction to mud!

Actually, 10speed Dura-Ace is crap, the cranks however are nice, shame about the rest really.....read the rest of the forum and listen to those other people who have had problems with Shimano. Campagnolo Record is almost art, if Dura Ace is so good why make it look SH!T??? it's heavier than record, looks worse, is less reliable and is supposed to revoultionary cos its 10speed, something campag have had for years!!! on half their range!!!!
Posted: 05/04/2005 19:20

Campag have done MTB and should do it again it works far better on cross bikes because its not as fragile as shimano. In particular the STI levers are the fundamenal problem being that whole lever moves across(euuurggghhhhh!) as soon as it get knocked it throws a fit and stops working!!!

Campag all the way!!!! plus there's no stupid cables hanging out!!!!!!
Campag are the kings, those people who say otherwise have never experienced Italian craftsmanship at its greatest!
Posted: 05/04/2005 19:23

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