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Shimano Di2 MTB revisited

Member's Machinery Tucson's Fairwheel Bikes wheels out second incarnation of Shimano Di2-equipped mountain bike


Posted: 16 November 2009
by Mike Davis

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Fairwheel Bikes's Shimano Di2-equipped mountain bike was one of our highlights of Interbike. Despite appearances, the Rue Sports/USE/Edge Composites/Fibrelyte/etc bike was intended as a rider, and Jason from Fairwheel (who trades as "madcow" on forums) was straight out on it after the show.

"After several rides on it I absolutely fell in love with it," says Jason, "so I decided to take it and do it again but with a bit more of a daily rider theme."

Starting point was a 90mm travel MSC Koncept Carbon full suspension frame, which comes in at a startling 1.6kg including a RockShox Monarch shock. Up front there's a Manitou MRD R7 fork. The rest of the spec comprises plenty of superlight niche stuff - lots of KCNC, Extralite and so on. The wheels include Soul Kozak hubs (that we don't mind admitting we've never heard of) laced to Edge Composites carbon rims with Sapim CX-Ray spokes.

Then of course there's that Shimano Di2 electronic transmission, which is part of the top-flight Dura-Ace road group but appears here in similar hacked-about form to the Interbike show bike. Apparently it's been working just fine, with the main change to the transmission setup here being a switch to Extralite Gara 28/42 chainrings to give slightly lower gears. The rear cassette is a custom-assembled 11-32 10spd.

The end result is an 18.8lb bike that's described as a "reliable daily rider". And if you think that sounds light, the original plan was for the bike to be only just over 17lb - this is the "robust" version, with some of the more outré component choices left on the shelf.

More lightweight craziness at www.fairwheelbikes.com.

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And what, pray would the cost of such a combo be?  fag packet price will be fine.
Posted: 16/11/2009 15:12

You had to ask, you can't afford one.
Posted: 16/11/2009 15:13

It's a 19lb carbon full suss with the latest gadget gear system... eight grand?
Posted: 16/11/2009 15:39

Including the bits of Di2 that you get to throw in a skip?
Posted: 16/11/2009 16:05

Di2 rear mech = £490  So it is not going to be a cheap build!


Posted: 16/11/2009 16:42

I would be scared to get it dirty or scratched.Would feel fine about hanging it over the mantle piece for a bit of modern wall art.
Posted: 17/11/2009 08:46

I want to know how much those 10lb Scotts on light-bikes cost to build
Posted: 17/11/2009 08:49

I would imagine the law of diminshing returns means at that kind of weight you are spending many £100s to save a few grams.


Posted: 17/11/2009 08:56

If you've an hour to kill I'm sure you could price up THIS spec.
Posted: 17/11/2009 09:02

well that wipperman chain is £200 for starters!
Posted: 17/11/2009 09:05

My tyres are lighter by some 9 grams each, obviously he is not that much of a fanatic.
Posted: 17/11/2009 09:13

££,£££
Posted: 17/11/2009 09:18

quinny Quin wrote (see)
££,£££

Blimey - that's got some heavy kit on it too 
Posted: 17/11/2009 09:30

XCman [ KB ] With Altitude wrote (see)
My tyres are lighter by some 9 grams each, obviously he is not that much of a fanatic.

That's a pair    I'm guessing he's actually weighed his too...
Posted: 17/11/2009 09:32

I just hope Di2 is well sealed from the filth of off road riding, it'll be an expensive repair bill if it isn't.
Posted: 17/11/2009 09:32

At £450 a mech you can afford to pay someone to put a coat over the muddy stuff for you
Posted: 17/11/2009 10:34

I just hope Di2 is well sealed from the filth of off road riding, it'll be an expensive repair bill if it isn't.

Some pros are using it for cyclocross, I reckon it can take it.


Posted: 17/11/2009 10:53

Nobby wrote (see)
quinny Quin wrote (see)
££,£££

Blimey - that's got some heavy kit on it too 

Oh that's a shame. Wrong size frame for me....
Posted: 17/11/2009 11:19

New technology,1st year and no record of performance yet, wait to see what happens 12 months down the line before buying it.
Posted: 17/11/2009 11:23

I doubt I would be able to afford it in a year Podge.


Posted: 17/11/2009 11:25

Nobby wrote (see)
XCman [ KB ] With Altitude wrote (see)
My tyres are lighter by some 9 grams each, obviously he is not that much of a fanatic.

That's a pair    I'm guessing he's actually weighed his too...
Fcuk no wonder my bike comes in at 6 1/2 kilos heavier, lack of attention to detail. Mind I have some similiar tyres I could use for riding on the road, doubt if that he's will see mud.
Posted: 17/11/2009 11:47

I could probably afford a rear mech if I sold a bike, personally I won't bother, one- the expense, two-I like to do bike maintenance myself to save time & money, having an electronic groupset on your bike means you have no chance of DIY and the resulting labour charge will probably make it as expensive as a car service. Di2 is another step forwards or backwards(depending on which way you look at it) in taking DIY bike maintenance away from the owner, just like cars.


Posted: 17/11/2009 12:18

Every electronic shifting setup that I'm aware of that's come out so far has suffered major reliability problems, mostly with the electrics, not the mechanical side too. If I was to bet on who'll be the first bike component manufacturer to do it correctly I'd back Shimano though. Still silly money for bike components. Are they still making the airlines DH shifter I wonder?
Posted: 17/11/2009 13:33

OOOOH now this looks pimpy...

http://www.leichtbau-konfigurator.de/files/pics/5rot_schaltwerk_1.jpg


Posted: 17/11/2009 13:35

Nope Airlines is consigned to the history books.
Posted: 17/11/2009 13:43

The simplicity of cycling is gradually being eroded by the manufacturers.
Posted: 17/11/2009 13:44

And the sadbloke award for whinging goes to.....
Posted: 17/11/2009 13:45

I think this has got potential to work, it's being rolled out with far more support than Airlines, Mektronic etc.

Half tempted to try it, but even I have limits


Posted: 17/11/2009 13:58

having an electronic groupset on your bike means you have no chance of DIY

Do you not have a soldering iron?

All Di2 removes is the cables. And they're a pain in the arse. We've done away with them for brakes and most people seem to be in favour of that. 


Posted: 17/11/2009 14:09

If Nick hasn't already bought it I can't of a non-sponsored MTBer outside of Germany that will.
Posted: 17/11/2009 14:28

The Red5 hydraulic setup BHB posted was about €1500 for two shifters and two derailleurs last time I looked, so they compete with the electronic system on price anyway...
Posted: 17/11/2009 14:38

I know where my £1500 would be spent

Red Parts are like, proper bling


Posted: 17/11/2009 14:48

The trouble with some mass manufactured parts is they're not made with future DIY or any repairs in mind but rather total replacement especially when the unit is very small as is the case here. Chances are the average DIYer would probably incinerate any components with a soldering iron if they attempted a repair.
Posted: 17/11/2009 14:59

long-nose pliers as a heat sink to protect the unit.
Posted: 17/11/2009 15:06

The trouble with some mass manufactured parts is they're not made with future DIY or any repairs in mind but rather total replacement especially when the unit is very small as is the case here.

It's not a new issue, though, is it? Not many people replace bent derailleur cages or worn-out STI innards. Just because something's mechanical doesn't mean it can be (economically or practicably) repaired. So Di2 electroniciness doesn't actually change anything in that regard


Posted: 17/11/2009 15:30

I did hear that smaller hammers are needed for repairs to sensitive electronics ...

A full length cable outer combined with a helf decent 8 speed shifter and pretty much any derailleur will give flawless mud performance for years provided you replace the jockey wheels as they wear out... 9 speed is a little more tempermental in the mud, so I'd stick an Alfine on if I was building a bike specifically for mud...


Posted: 17/11/2009 15:43

Its one of those things thats been made because it can be, it hasnt got a market thats sustainable.

As for electronics small motors and bouncing about in mud I wouldnt buy one even if They were a more realistic price.


Posted: 17/11/2009 16:09

I'm keen to see what rohloff do with electronic shifting, now that will be interesting
Posted: 17/11/2009 20:54

Of course there are some places in the world where mountian bikers are not so obsessed with riding in the mud, so an eletronic shifting system well sealed or not is more viable.


Posted: 18/11/2009 09:28

Surely an electronic set up is easier to seal from mud & water due to the lack of moving parts?  Diving kit seems to work after all...


Posted: 18/11/2009 09:34

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