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Part 3: XTR disc brakes


Posted: 11 July 2002
by Scoop


The new XTR way to stop
The Idea
Right from the start, Shimano designed the new XTR groupset around disc brakes rather than V brakes, but they knew that the main obstacle for acceptance by the Pro’s would be weight. Their design brief was therefore to keep the same big stopping power of their proven XT 4 pot discs but get the system weight down near that of XTR V’s. So did they suceed?


Lots of pipes and boxes but still light
The Reality
As we’ve already revealed the lever itself is now responsible for shifting too, which means a cunning linkage to join the brake action to the mineral oil reservoir mounted inboard of the shifter housing. It worked fine over our test weekend and despite the rather overcrowded looks the whole STI unit comes in at 423g without the thumb lever – only 9g heavier than current XTR V brake.

Pipes are resin rather than braided which makes cutting and fitting a lot easier and the reservoir uses the same rectangular tank as XT so the same cunning bleeding clamp tool can be used.


Very neat, very polished, very Shimano
The real cleverness is at the far end of the pipe though. Rather than the two piece calipers most other brakes use Shimano’s advanced casting technology has let them make the whole caliper in one smoothly moulded piece. This means no flex between the two bolted halves and no need for heavy bolts either. As there’s less flex they’ve also moved from a four to a two pot system with caliper weight (with pads) dropping to 98g for the front and 100g for the rear.

The rotor is also a cunning piece of design, using the same 160mm diameter as standard XT, but with a steel braking surface mounted on an aluminium spider, which then slides onto splines on the hub before bolting into place with a lockring. This is exactly like early Hope brakes and Shimano claim lightness, convenience and safety (they reckon 6 bolt systems can work loose) as the reason. It also means that the XTR discs can only fit on XTR hubs, although as Deore and XT discs are compatible you can use them and a conventional 6 bolt hub at a slight weight penalty.

The disc is only planned in a 160mm XC version so far but you can choose between smooth, soft resin pads, more hard wearing but noisier metallic pads or the Shimano recommendation of one of each.


One piece casting means maximum stiffness for minimum weight
So do they work?
We were the first on the brakes after only a quick bedding in spin round the car park, but their bite sharpened up within an hour or so of riding. Obviously 160mm discs aren’t going to match the power of bigger DH discs, but the stiff one piece caliper gave easily enough bite to slide either tyre in wet or dry conditions. With the soft pads modulation and smoothness of power increase was absolutely excellent making for true fingertip control. Even in torrential rain the new brakes shook off water, stopping well. And, as you’d expect for an open system, there was no sign of boiling after a long, deliberate drag of the rear brake downhill.

The really impressive thing about the brakes is the control though, letting us feather braking superbly in even the sketchiest conditions, which is something the XT 4 pots were always a bit too violent to manage.

After the rainy ride the day before the resin pads hooted and squealed but this went as they dried out – a clear advantage over Hope’s Mini then! Shimano pads generally have a good reputation for lifespan too, so we doubt these will be much different.

Riding conditions
Mixture of fleeting sunlight then alternating torrential Alpine thunderstorms and light mountain drizzle served on a mix of long fire road climbs followed by very steep woody, rooty and generally treacherous singletrack descents.

Pretty much ideal ‘mock British’ conditions for testing disc brakes and shifter systems then.

Compatability
At first the new brake looks a very uncompatible beast, what with it’s new splined disc etc. However the levers work with any Shimano disc brake (and vice versa) and the calipers work with existing 160mm Shimano discs which means you can still your old 6 bolt hubs. Although mineral oil compatibilty means they may work with Magura, we haven’t tried it yet, but they ceratinly won’t work wth DOT fluid systems like Hayes and Hope


What we liked
The superbly precise control and modulation of the power – probably the best yet from any system, even 4 pots.

The light weight. We didn’t have any scales to verify it but Shimano claim the entire system to be only 80g heavier than a V brake set up (if you count the weight of brake bosses). We haven’t got any comparable figures to hand (the combined shift and brake unit stops direct comparison) but that’s got to be pretty close to the previous featherweight title holder Formula’s B4.

All weather performance seems good although they do squeal when damp.

No pump up or fade. As it’s an open system there’s no dials to twiddle to compensate for heating up.

Mineral oil. Harder to find but kinder to paint, skin and fluffy animals everywhere.


What we didn’t like
* The new spline fitment is a ‘only our hubs’ pain but there are ways round it.
* We look forward to seeing more disc size choices for freeriders or weight freaks.

Coming next
The rest of the groupset bits.


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Oh right - so you can actually feel the stiff brake caliper housings now? Lordy... Avid mechanicals are a one piece unit as far as I can remember (it's raining and I can't be arsed wandering into the garage to check). But they reinforce the alloy with bolts - kind of like a pre-stressed concrete girder.
Posted: 11/07/2002 10:20

Dear sir, I am writing to let you know that I have an exceptionally tall stallion, and enjoy the elevated view this provides. Regards ;¬)
Posted: 11/07/2002 11:15

:)
Posted: 11/07/2002 11:51

I have no idea what you mean AM... ;-)
Posted: 11/07/2002 11:52

Did you get the disk brake mounts on the rigid forks sorted out for the next batch, Brant?
Posted: 11/07/2002 11:54

So splines make them Shimano XTR only until (or if) anyone else can be Bothered. And then of course as the actual brake lever is the gear changer it means no XTR drive train - Hope (or anyone else)brake system. It may just be me but it seems to me like this 'new' system is another attempt by the Big S to cut out the alternative suppliers, or at least force them to fork out money to play the compatibility game. Or maybe I'm a grumpy git who once bought a Pace STX spider adapter only to find that the following year the Big S changed the crank shape so the adapter (and hence chain rings) no longer fit!
Posted: 11/07/2002 12:36

Actually its a lot more compatible than I expected - you can use anyones 6 bolt hubs as long as you use the XT rotor and not the XTR one. The splined design is only there because Shimano couldn't make the 6 bolt system any lighter. Likewise the shifter/brake levers are compatible with Deore and XT brakes as well as XTR, and also the rest of the Shimano drivetrain range. I expected worse.....
Posted: 11/07/2002 12:49

does anyone remember the days when bicycles were a simple form of transport?
Posted: 11/07/2002 13:27

Yep, I still live there.
Posted: 11/07/2002 14:12

Yes Si, but then I hit puberty and people started wanting gears and things.
Posted: 11/07/2002 14:56

Yes but dont you sometimes just hanker for the good old days of a Sturmey Archer 3speed hub gear? I'm sorry, I dont know why I said that, I think I need to lie down for a while...
Posted: 11/07/2002 20:15

Go and rinse your mind out with Hypoid gear oil. I grew up in those days. Why do you think non-indexed deraileur system caught on so fast?
Posted: 12/07/2002 00:14

Sorry Brant, I don't know how i'll sleep at night now! Not just over the the fact that Avid Mechanical discs use one piece calipers, more because of the small pea under the mattress ;-)
Posted: 12/07/2002 10:27

LOL
Posted: 12/07/2002 10:40

Who cares? XTR is overpriced given the speed that I wear out components... I miss the grifter I never had (I had a striker)
Posted: 12/07/2002 12:28

And Maguras too, BTW
Posted: 12/07/2002 13:13

Mabey XTR is over priced but the technology and therefore the compatability will trickle down to lower groupsets as it has done in the past... So you should care
Posted: 13/07/2002 14:40

Does anyone knwo what the shifting is like with those integrated levers though? I've seen lots of talk about how well the brakes work, and about issues of compatability, but no-one seems to know if the shifting action is ok, or is it a hellish piece of weight-reduction gone too far?
Posted: 15/07/2002 13:32

It's butt ugly, that's for sure. (referring to the lever housing)
Posted: 15/07/2002 14:19

Bring back thumbshifters! technical innovation is fine but i'll never go fast enough, long enough or hard enough to use disks! as for the shift brake lever combo it is a bit ott for gods sake! i dread to think wht will happen when you stack (you know it'll happen!) and you knacker the lever! umm no front brake or rear gear's! that'll be £200 odd to repair or replace sir (then again how many of us ride xtr anyway? ok i do but i was young and naive!) is it change for the sake of change? what was wrong with "octalink"? supposedly the best thin since indexd gears? oh i could moan for hour's!
Posted: 21/07/2002 18:59

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