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Maintenance top tips: An end to overlong, flappy brake hose misery - no bleeding required


Posted: 4 September 2008
by Mike Davis

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Most brake systems come pre-assembled, filled with fluid and ready to bolt on to your bike. But with such a huge variation in bikes and forks, the manufacturers tend to play safe on hose length and you're likely to find yourself with unsightly (and potentially hazardous) loops of spare hose all over the place. There's only so much you can "lose" by way of amusingly circuitous routing and ziptied bundles, but we see a lot of that kind of thing because people tend to be a bit wary of dismantling their new brakes. But fear not - shortening hoses is actually pretty straightforward, and if you take care you won't need to bleed the brakes afterwards. Here's how...

We're looking at a Magura brake here, but most systems are fundamentally similar. Check the manual for your particular brake for any important differences.

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1 The first thing that you need to do is to get the pistons fully retracted into the calipers. The best way to do this is to insert some kind of thin-but-wide tool into the gap between the pads (having removed the wheel first...) and gently prise them apart. Something plastic is ideal, to avoid gouging the pads, but a flat-blade screwdrive is fine if you're careful. Once the pads are fully retracted, rotate the brake lever on the bars so that the reservoir is horizontal.

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2 Slide any little rubber grommets that may be covering the hose fittings down the hose and carefully undo the sleeve nut from the reservoir. This is often an 8mm nut but it varies between brands. With the nut undone you should be able to gently pull the hose out of the lever. It might need a bit of wiggling to free it, but don't yank at it. Once it's out, don't shake it around too much - you're relying on surface tension to keep the fluid in. Similarly, don't pull the brake lever without a hose attached to it...

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3 Now you're ready to actually shorten the hose. Remember that you can't add more hose on, so don't take too much off - the old maxim "measure twice, cut once" is your friend here. We're using a rather nifty Magura hose-cutting tool here, but you can get equally good results by simply putting the end of the hose on a workbench and slicing the end off with a sharp knife. The main thing is that you need a clean, square cut - don't use cable cutters or a hacksaw, you'll end up with a squished and gouged mess.

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4 Most brake hoses have an insert pressed into the lever end and an olive on the outside. You just cut off the bit with those on, but don't try to recover them from the bin, you shouldn't reuse them. Make sure you rescue the sleeve nut and cover, though. Before you fit a new insert and olive is a good time to thread the hose through any tube-style hose guides that your frame may have fitted. To get the insert in, you need to hold the hose firmly without crushing it. Magura brakes come with handy plastic gizmo that you can clip the hose into and hold the whole thing in a vice, and most brake service kits come with something similar or a pair of grooved nylon blocks or something. With the hose securely held, carefully tap the insert into the hose with a hammer. Yes, you need a vice within easy reach of your bike. It's a good idea to plan ahead - trying to drag the whole thing nearer to the workbench with an open brake lever and unsecure hose is likely to end in tears.

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5 With the inser in place, slide the nut cover and sleeve nut on to the hose (making sure that they're pointing the right way) and then slide a new olive on to the end of the hose. Don't worry too much about the distance between the end of the hose and the olive, it all tends to sort itself out when you refit it to the lever.

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6 Push the hose fully into the lever and do up the sleeve nut until snug (Magura recommends 4Nm/34 in lb - check your manual for other brands). Once its back in place, give the hose a bit of a tug to make sure it's secure. Pop the wheel back in, squeeze the lever and check for any leaks. You'll need to pump the lever a few times to return the pads to their original position - once that's done you're good to go.

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sounds great but, no you've got to keep the hose once cut 100% vertical or air will get in, so personally I'd bleed the brakes immediately after regardless.

Surface tension of brake fluid is not that good.


Posted: 15/05/2006 23:56

i did it with my martas when i first got them. Worked fine.
Posted: 16/05/2006 00:01

I'm truely amazed.

But I'm clumbsy!!


Posted: 16/05/2006 00:03

I've done it with Julies. It helps if you have four hands...
Posted: 16/05/2006 00:06

"clumbsy", do you mean clumsy?



Posted: 16/05/2006 07:49

I did two formula brakes yesterday. Both needed a bleed after to get the lever really firm. :(

Why correct clumsy but not truly Mike?
Posted: 16/05/2006 08:37

has anyone ever managed this

Well, duh. Me, the other day. It's there in the pictures...
Posted: 16/05/2006 09:15

I've done it several times (Hope and Hayes) and it's always worked fine.

One little 'tip' - as I'm reassembling, I push the pads a tad further back into the caliper to push a teeny bit of brake fluid proud of the end of the pipe. Then give the lever a GENTLE and TINY squeeze as you reconnect the hose and there's no chance of any air getting into the system. Just don't drop brake fluid onto your nice, shiny frame's paint.........
Posted: 16/05/2006 10:01

Just had a thought Mike Spence. 'Clumbsy' might be a Midland word that combines dumb and clumsy. Both Dylan and I are from the Midlands and appear to be the only BMers incapable of shortening hoses without bleeding so I guess it applies to both of us. I'll try giving the lever a gentle squeeze next time clown.
Posted: 16/05/2006 10:28

i once gave the lever a nice squeeze. The compression nut wasnt tight enough and hydraulic fluid spurted into my face. Niiiiccceee. So check your compression nuts are tight :-) but not so tight u strip the threads.
Posted: 16/05/2006 11:20

"Well, duh. Me, the other day. It's there in the pictures..." Bet you'll be bleeding them in a while mike ( If you actually use those )

Yeah John, midlander thing, Brummies have Lend and Borrow switched around which is always annoying.



Posted: 16/05/2006 13:40

Are you around to borrow me a bike and show me some trails at the end of July Dylan?
Posted: 16/05/2006 13:46

hehehehe yes John no problems on both sides.


Bloody brummies.


Posted: 16/05/2006 13:55

Good oh!
Posted: 16/05/2006 14:02

19.5inch Trek HT with 105MM MX Comp ETA's ( 29 - 30lbs )

or

17inch GT Freerider, Van's and Coil rear shock.


your call.



Posted: 16/05/2006 14:18

You mean I've got a choice. I thought I'd be riding the GT to the top of the hill and the hardtail back down.
Posted: 16/05/2006 14:26

Good lad :)

Could of done with you in the peaks ths weekend, wanted the HT going up and the FS going down for sure.


Posted: 16/05/2006 14:33

ive managed it with hopes dylan,hope actually say in there manual that you can get away with not bleeding them if you are carefull.
Posted: 16/05/2006 14:59

"Well, duh. Me, the other day. It's there in the pictures..." Bet you'll be bleeding them in a while mike ( If you actually use those )

I've used them several times since shortening the hose. They're fine. As are all the others I've done that way.
Posted: 16/05/2006 15:00

Careful is not me or John then, going to stick to my, I cut I'm going to be bleeding to be sure.



Posted: 16/05/2006 15:03

You think I'd have put that article up if it didn't work?
Posted: 16/05/2006 15:41

Not saying it didn't work, just think the ability and quality of the tools available to the average MTBer make it way too easy to balls up.


So only attempt this, IF your prepared to bleed and purchase the possible tools required to do so.

Not personally tried it, my Jules on the Trek are Perfect length, Hayes on the GT abit long but want some 140-150mm forks soon, so ignoring. ( hoping I don't rip hose off on tree before hand )



Posted: 16/05/2006 15:46

Not personally tried it

Eh? Earlier you said you'd done it and had to bleed the brakes afterwards.


Posted: 16/05/2006 15:49

No John said that, I said I bet I would have to bleed afterwards.



Posted: 16/05/2006 15:51

There's stupid, timewasting and pointless and then there's "a bit dull". This appears, to me, to fall into the latter category. But don't mind me, please carry on ;-)
Posted: 16/05/2006 15:54

Hobo, you fit into all 4 of those categorys yourself personally. :)



* pls ingore the :) I don't mean that hehehe *




Posted: 16/05/2006 15:57


J D
oohhh handbag action.

If you read your manuals most brake manufactures give instructions on how to shorten hose without bleeding.
Each with there own quirk,e.g magura you but the 2mm allen key supplied in behind the lever blade.

And in my experience it always works fine when instructions are followed.


Dylan do you think is it a conspirace(sp?) by Mike to get bleed kit sales up?
Posted: 16/05/2006 16:23

Likely signed himself up for a 5% deal, and why not LOL


Posted: 16/05/2006 16:26

There's stupid, timewasting and pointless and then there's "a bit dull". This appears, to me, to fall into the latter category. But don't mind me, please carry on ;-)

Touché ;-)
Posted: 16/05/2006 16:35

Dylan, that comment was aimed at mike relating to something else.

However, i accept your abuse and throw back a fat tosser in response ;-)
Posted: 16/05/2006 16:37

Wait a minute...

sounds great but, no you've got to keep the hose once cut 100% vertical or air will get in,

Dylan, you opened this thread with that, which implies personal experience. And now you're saying that you've never tried it. Further evidence, if any were needed, that you're full of sh*t :-(
Posted: 16/05/2006 16:38

;-)
Posted: 16/05/2006 16:39

Mike, just errr logical!!!

Hobo, thankfully for you I am a " Fat Tosser " or I'd take offence at that.

And I still standby my comment.


Posted: 16/05/2006 16:43

When I was doing my Avids a couple of weeks ago I cut them, then dropped the compression nut on the floor, spend a subsequent 10 minutes looking for it on a black floor, with the cut hose flapping about, fitted it and it felt awesome, certainly no air in that one :-)
Posted: 16/05/2006 16:58

Mike, just errr logical!!!

Only in the Dylaniverse.
Posted: 16/05/2006 17:10

I used the same technique with my Saints and it worked fine
Posted: 16/05/2006 17:33

I stand corrected then, I'm amazed to be honest that no air gets in there.


Posted: 16/05/2006 17:37

Dylan, the tiny amount of air that gets trapped migrates into the resevoir in the lever. Thats how it works. (at least with maguras (thats why they say compress the lever slightly).
Posted: 16/05/2006 19:10

you can hold a syringe upsidedown without liquid falling out - similar system, closed reservoire (or caliper/hose) at one end and small hole at other. as said before, surface tension.
Posted: 16/05/2006 19:21

#tries to think of an excuse for evident incompetence#

Formula brakes have a banjo at both ends and despite my efforts to fill it up before bolting up it felt like there was air in there.
Posted: 16/05/2006 19:30

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