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I Want A Podium: Part 3

The third part in Mike Ayles's ongoing attempt to get himself on an MTB race podium using only advice gleaned from the Bikemagic forum


Posted: 11 August 2006
by Mike Ayles

The third part in Mike Ayles's ongoing attempt to get himself on an MTB race podium using only advice gleaned from the Bikemagic forum…

Well, here I am 'en France' as it were. If you've been following my progress, you'll know that it's going pretty well. At the twentyfour12, I coined the fastest lap in our team. Not satisfied with that lap, I went out for a faster lap and had a bit of a fall!

So, what kind of things am I capable of now? I'm no superhuman or anything, but earlier this week, I decided to go out for a nice gentle ride. It ended up being about 50 miles with me stopping every five minutes and asking, "Je cherché Angouleme". Although a largely unintentional 50 miles, I felt pretty good afterwards. And I found a weird French bike shop - bonus!

I must be getting closer to that podium place, surely. But there's one way to find out - racing! Planning is everything, so of course I've no idea when the next race is. I think that there's a Gorrick sometime in September... But really I'm aiming for next season.

I've been pondering categories of late. My current plan is to start off in the fun category, and when I get into the top ten, I'll move up. Racers, please let me know whether that's a sensible thing to do!

A couple of bike issues. I'm still running the DMR Moto dirt jump tyre on the back and really need to get some lightweight race tyres. I've had my eyes on some Panaracer Razers, which look fast, and a lot lighter than my DMR Moto/ Conti' Vertical mix.

I'm still on flat pedals, but only because of my lack of confidence when clipped in. I'm pretty sure my stack at the Twentyfour12 would've been a lot more severe had I still been clipped in. So I'm tempted to get some clipless pedals with platforms, like Crank Bros Mallets or Time Z Freerides.

One thing I've tried, but not been too successful with, is energy food/drink/gel/jelly beans/cake. I invested a fair amount of money in various types of energy drink/foods - they're mostly gone now, and I must admit, I found no performance benefit. I assume that they must do something or they wouldn't exist, but I just couldn't see the advantage. I reckon I'll just stick to my standard diet and eat sensible things before, during and after races.

As I've another couple of weeks in France with my bike, I'm tempted to go "touring" for a bit - just load up a bag then ride to the coast for a few days or something. I'm sure when I get to the coast, I'll do nowt too healthy, but the getting there should benefit me in some way. I want to ride about 500 miles by the end of this holiday - I'm at about 65 at the moment, so that'll be 435 miles in two weeks, easy.

So here are the things I need to know next:

  • What's the most suitable category for next season?
  • Are platform clipless pedals a good idea?
  • What am I missing about "sports nutrition" products?
  • And of course, what tyres should I buy…?

Over to you…


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OK, these are all IMO:

Cat: I'd race fun. If you win by a country mile, hit the top ten on a regular basis or find it too easy then it's time to do Sport.

Pedals: Clipless rock. That is all.

Energy food: find out what works for you. They all affect different people in different ways. I use basic glucose as a back-up on top of plenty of pre-race carbo-loading (and carry a spare bar/goo sack), but this is a seriously lo-tech way of doing it. But then I haven't raced XC for a few years now.

Tyres: racing? Go light – speed over comfort for a short course. Conti Explorer (or similar) foldings will handle most things, with Conti XC 1.5s for when it gets gloopy.

But Nick and the like will be in a far better position than I to guide you on these things.


Posted: 11/08/2006 17:15

If you're doing fun (I can't remember how far fun is), you may not be racing for long enough to feel the benefit of energy drinks etc. I don't think you'll run out of carbs before you've ridden for an hour.

As for tyres, there is always a trade off in weight vs reliability. If you're racing gorricks/sams then razers will be fine. They look like a good value alternative to Racing Ralphs. For southern courses you generally don't need much tread at the back, but you may want a more aggresive front tyre for confident steering.

Clipless Pedals are the best for racing. Give them a go. After a couple of weeks you adjust, if you fall off you will unclip.

I think its ok to race fun until you are getting top 10s.

Don't take where you come too seriously. You can't control how fast the other riders are. Just worry about riding fast and enjoying yourself.

Posted: 11/08/2006 17:34

one thing thats important to note - isotonic drinks like lucozade sport etc are best drunk about 30mins before the race and then if you drink water / energy drink throughout is up to you - I never bothered apert from on trailquests etc - on 5 hr races they're invaluable to help stop the cramping!


Posted: 11/08/2006 18:22

Start using clipless pedals when you stop falling off. :) I'm still falling off. :( I got one of my best ever results in winter triathlon earlier this year on flats. But would have perhaps made up a place or two on SPDs - or crashed out. Some people worry about tyres, feeding or other such details. My only worry before a race is which pedals.

Touring is great for fitness. A down jacket, a bivvi bag and a pocket full of cash are all you need.
Posted: 11/08/2006 22:13

I spent a while doing comedy falls on SPDs - go for them - they will improve control and speed

try out SIS drinks - not too hard on the gut and used by UK Athletes

Try the three lap Gorrick - not too far - and if you can get a good start a good race - otherwise just be another rider in front of old slow people like me!!
Posted: 12/08/2006 00:27

Ifwhen you go clipless I wouldn't go with platform type as I've found them of lilited use to useless when not clipped in ie: my foot would just slip off.

Races up to an hour or so you shouldn't need an energy drink if you've drunk some half an hour before the start
Posted: 12/08/2006 08:45

mike ... i know your on holiday ...but man im off the bike for exam resits ....

you gotta ride more .... hell ive done more miles than you ... and ive been sat in library 9-7 everyday for last 2 weeks aint been off road or shit .... but ... train station to home and train station to uni on singlespeed ammount to more than youve done so far !

DEDICATION boy ..

other than that remember to enjoy it ... and yeah john touring is one way to build up that endurance threshold ... just dont over do it ... i think ive gotten over my buggered tendons no problems in the merida anyway :D
Posted: 12/08/2006 22:16

Ifwhen you go clipless I wouldn't go with platform type as I've found them of lilited use to useless when not clipped in ie: my foot would just slip off.

In race shoes yes. In my SPD Vans no. Depends on your predominant use. I'd get platform-less for a race bike, but everything else has a platform.
Posted: 12/08/2006 23:16

spd vans are a bit pointless imo due to sole not being rigid enough to give real benifit ..... there fine for dh or playing about ...but id consider a more rigid shoe for riding xc .... i feel in the flexy vans style shoe it feels like im standing on a pea ...

i do use platform spd pedals on my mr big .. but thats only because of downhill fashions i guess i use them because others do ... but i have no bother getting clipped in to my lx spds on my dawes on downhill sections


Posted: 13/08/2006 00:14

SPD Vans are a bit too rigid (mine are exacerbates or something) they hurt my poor feet and are hard to walk in =[
I only use them with V8s and do fancy trying some proper SPDs but would do it with lighter and more pupose designed shoes. Im guessing the design proccess for the SPD Vans is normal vans + metal bit = footmounted dumbells..
Best of luck Mike
Posted: 13/08/2006 14:39

spd vans are a bit pointless imo due to sole not being rigid enough to give real benifit ..... there fine for dh or playing about ...

So they're not pointless, yes?

Please see my above comment – at no point did I say that SPD Vans were a good XC shoe. If anything I said the opposite.

My point is that if you're using your bike primarily as a XC race tool then platform-less is the way forward. If your bike is your only bike and is used for everything, I'd consider getting a platform'd pedal (and possibly two pairs of shoes).


Posted: 13/08/2006 15:51

it wasnt meant to start an arguement .. but surely if he wants to win a race presumably xc or enduro given his bike ...hes gonna want all the help he can get from his equipment ...


Posted: 13/08/2006 20:56

Yeah, at the end of the day the less your bike weighs the faster it goes. Before I get jumped on, it doesn't need to be anal.

For XC racing you do not need a platform/cage type SPD pedal, particularly for the Gorrick's it's wholly unnecessary. Some Shimano M540s are nearly as light as M959s but half the price, and I advise converting ASAP.

You know my thoughts on tyres, I'm a recent convert to Racing Ralphs in the dry, but will continue to use Explorers other times, for now... Again light is good, ultra light versions such as the Conti Supersonic range are a great way to drop lots of weight fast.

I'll be honest though Mike, and this is obviously a general feeling elsewhere, that really, you just need to ride more!

a) for fitness
b) for experience

If you ride enough you will win a race sooner or later, simple as that! Now isn't the ideal time to be doing 'base training' though!

Swapping to a seriously light bike may save you a couple of seconds, maybe even minutes, but it will not help you with knowing how to pace yourself, what your limits are, what to eat etc. That's the kind of thing that's only gained by riding, and racing, more.

I don't want to depress you, but I suggest, if you really want this, you need to do one of 2 things:

1) REALLY sort out your training when the time is right, base training should be done over winter, it should ideally be structured, and regular. I'm fairly confident that if you train properly throughout winter you could easily podium at a Spring Gorrick.

OR

2) Not take it so seriously, you'll get your podium eventually, but it'll likely take longer, but just keep riding as and when you feel like it.
Posted: 13/08/2006 21:58

Intersting - (or not) I'm with Nick - if you re well fit but not race fit then go for a Gorrick this Autumn - try Fun for the experience as the first time you do a race can be a bit mind blowing - then assess your + and - points eg

- techncially - can I get round ok?
- Can I get off the line and get to the front without dying in the first lap?
- Is my camel/bottle/food/electrlyte ok - or did I feel sick (Like I did for a whole lap in a Gorrick after try an energy bar pre race)
- Is my choice of bike/tyres/other stuff a limiting factor

Then - if and only if you get say inthe first 20 in fun - go for Sport and train harder for pace/strength etc

Just IMO of course - but I occassionally race and I find that I am limited by my techniqe and hill climbing more than anything else (old and fat!) n ot the bike etc which I have dialed

Work out what works for you - it ain't gonna happen first time - unless you really are good - wich would be nice!!!!!!!
Posted: 13/08/2006 22:14

I should also point out that Sport is a massive leap from Fun, there's Open in between, that's a more sensible place to aim!

I entered 3 fun races in 2002, won all 3 of them, moved to Open, won an Open race at the start of 2004, moved up to Sport, I'm still waiting for a podium in Sport, had a 4th and a 5th this year, that's the closest I've been, and I've got noticably quicker every year!
Posted: 13/08/2006 22:29

Whoops - meant Open - sorry - second bottle of red - a nice Shiraz BTW!!
Posted: 13/08/2006 22:32

Good good, glad it's going down well!
Posted: 13/08/2006 22:32

do they have fun and open at sxc races ?

never done an XC race as such before ... wouldnt mind giving it ago next year like ...dh is just getting stupidly expensive in this country thanks to uplift issues ...
Posted: 13/08/2006 22:36

I think so - why not try a Gorrick this Autumn
Posted: 13/08/2006 22:43

by SXC do you mean Southern XC or Scottish XC, if it's the former, yes, if the latter, I have no idea!

Gorrick have:
Beginner
Fun
Open
Sport
Expert

SXC have:
Fun
Open
Sport
Super master/Expert
Elite
Posted: 13/08/2006 22:43

i meant scottish nick .... the dates confused me i checked out sxc site just after i posted ... and sport and elite are for people 1989 or above .... odd ... typo i presume as for other catagorys it says ... the year then before ...

ill ask some of the xc guys in the team

Posted: 13/08/2006 22:47

I thought you were up there!

How old are you?

Generally:
sprog <13
juvenile 13-14
youth 15-16
junior 17-18
sport/expert/elite 19-29
master 30-39
veterns 40-49
grand vets 50+

open is just that, anyone can do it! Elites are often over 30 and thus don't do masters.

If you're reasonably fit, do Sport.
Posted: 13/08/2006 22:50

I recently got my first podium in the fun race. I have to say I normally race Open but due to other commitments and the race times Fun was the only race I could do. I felt a bit guilty as I know I am probably too good for fun but it was very nice to win!
When I started racing I was very much middle of the pack in the fun races. I then did a bit more and started to race open - again middle of the pack. However in the past year I have started doing a lot of road riding (due to wife's triathlon riding) and entered the Etape and completed it this year. Due to this I greatly increased my training - riding twice every weekend and ensuring that one of these rides was at least 4 hours and trying my best to get at least 1 ride or gym session in during the week. As this year progressed my long rides increased and I have ridden 4 or 5 100 mile plus training rides and the Etape took me 9.5 hours. I am much fitter and although not mountain bike racing fit I am much stonger than I used to be and it is due mainly to being out on my bike more. In order to race hard for 1-2 hours you need to be used to riding for longer than that and you will need to sort out your energy drinks for the longer rides. Like Nick says if you do put in the miles you will see results but it takes time and effort and it means going out in all weathers. But then you are so much more capable when you ride and you recover soooo much quicker so that the day after a race you feel fine rather than wasted.

So Alan my advice to you is lots of miles during the winter - keep racing the Gorricks during that time so you are aware of what races are like and how to pace yourself but aim for one of the later spring races. Then once you have your 'winter base' miles you can start to focus on your speed - Nick might have some advice here on intervals etc.
Also SPDs are so much better for racing - especially climbing as you can pull up as well as push down. The clipping out becomes second nature after a very short time - I promise.
Good luck Alan!
Posted: 14/08/2006 11:19

http://www.roadcyclinguk.com/news/article/mps/UAN/1551/v/1/sp/

hey mike give that a read the article just came out on road cycling uk. should answer the drinking problems. ( i always go for plane water of electrolyte drinks to stop cramp)
Posted: 14/08/2006 17:23

I have been racing 3 years,my first race was in the open (3laps) there is usually 70+ riders in the open as it is he most popular class.I came 23rd out of 70 riders.This year I have had 2 4th places in the open. I struggle to get a top 10 in the veterans.Just keep doing as many races as you can then you will improve with every race.another tip drink plenty before the race.
Posted: 14/08/2006 20:00

Stans first paragraph is why a podium finish in most events is very wishfull thinking imo. There are ALWAYS at least half a dozen Average Sport riders who make the drop to fun. I have ridden fun and seen these guys do sport rides and then suddenly apear on fun rides. Best i ever managed was top 5 but i am much fitter now, just not that interested in racing atm.

So you not only have to get yerself fast enough to beat all the fun riders, you have to beat a few sport riders who are pot hunting.


Posted: 14/08/2006 20:10

so, i would write an update, but i don't really know what to say, or even whether it's worth writing a whole new article.

ok, since my forks are at CRC, and have been for a while now, i've been clocking up the road miles, i've been out doing long road rides with roadies etc..

on monday i shall be going on a training ride with a few triatheletes - wish me luck!

erm, i couldn't do the southern xc rd 5 due to lack of suspension forks

next up is the autumn classic (i think) and i plan to do well in it

erm, i've got used to SPuD's again (on road)

what else.... i still haven't got round to buying some race worthy tyres (reading festival tickets!)

oh, and my dodgy wrist is making a comeback
Posted: 07/09/2006 20:33

Good luck with the triathletes. :)

Their bike handling skills are notoriously lousy and there are no brakes on their aerobars. :)
Posted: 07/09/2006 20:38

well ive just been getting back into the swing of things after my exams and a lousy fucking cold ....

did 40k last week at 29kph ave 40k last night at 29kph both with a mate

swam 2k both weeks aswell

then a solo to dundee (30k) at 32kph ave then ran for 8k then rode back to arbroath (30k) at 28kph ave ..... and took bitching cramp in both backs of thighs and my biceps at the same time in the pub with mates ...

was gonna do 60k mount keen loop on sunday but mate pulled out due to his wet weather kit being in the fixit shop for winter coming and me having done a shift in the pub on sat night till 3am (cleaning up etc ) so i was to fucked to go on own ..

got local club champs next weekend .... hoping to pull a surprise out the bag there ...and actually beat some of the xc guys in the club

good to here your still at it mike .... i better not catch you at the next race we do ......;)
Posted: 07/09/2006 23:48

he he he, this winter i'll be training my arse, sorry, my fat off :-P

bring it on jeyboys next year!
Posted: 07/09/2006 23:51

I might be putting a flat bar and bar ends on the the Gorricks next year!!!!

You can eat my dust Mike ;-)
Posted: 08/09/2006 10:50

"be putting a"

you mean you haven't already?

i've been running it for months :-P
(flat bar even longer!)
Posted: 08/09/2006 11:03

Mike don't think SPD's will suite your riding style, stick to flats but get quick at swapping from one to the other, ie put the SPD's on while training and not playing about.


Posted: 08/09/2006 15:26

what you mean his riding style ..... have you seen mine ?

you can unclip ASAP i dont notice any difference between riding spuds and flats now other than loss of smooth stroke that you get with spds ....

and i ride them on my mr big 10 inch downhill monster when racing in the SDA races so ive had my fair share of bails and sketchy moments ...
Posted: 08/09/2006 16:57

ASAP isn't already unclipped it's a delay!!

I have enough presence of mind mid stack to bail, not to unclip both feet then bail.


Posted: 08/09/2006 17:00

the hardrock is getting flats back on it for now (spuds on the roadie)

tonight the hardrock's getting a good and proper thrashing (because i've been on a road bike all week!)
Posted: 08/09/2006 17:33

With multi release cleats and loosish tensions, if you just panik your feet come straight out...
Posted: 08/09/2006 17:42

Enjoy some XC Mike!!


Posted: 08/09/2006 17:45

with single release cleats i dont even have to think about feet coming out .... trust me ive had more bails than most i can assure you .... having raced downhill for the best part of 7 years ....5 on spuds
Posted: 08/09/2006 18:25

Sam Hill won the World Championship on flats. :)
Posted: 08/09/2006 18:39

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