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Innerleithen chairlift proposed

And proposed seriously, too - reintroduced vehicle uplift to be just the start of turning the Tweed Valley into a Whistler-style MTB destination


Posted: 16 February 2007
by Mike Davis

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This is not a chairlift. Imagine it without the roof and windows and you're mostly there

The Tweed Valley uplift saga rumbles on, with an independent report commissioned by Scottish Enterprise Borders highlighting that, surprisingly enough, "re-introduction of a safe vehicle uplift facility at the Innerleithen downhill course is a key first step in helping to grow the number of people using the downhill tracks."

They're not kidding. The existing vehicle uplift service was canned back in April 2006. Things are, apparently, happening though. Forestry Commission Scotland is currently looking for a company to operate a bus-based transport system to safely transport bikers and their bikes to the top of the downhill routes at Innerleithen. It's hoping to get a system up and running by the summer, and we'd like to think that this report would only help to accelerate the process.

That's not the exciting news, though. The good bit is that phrase "key first step". For the report proposes that in the long term the Tweed Valley could establish itself as an MTB destination to rival Les Gets and Whistler, attract 100,000 visitors a year, create 200 new jobs and generate more than £6 million a year for the Scottish economy.

And how will it achieve this? By installing the world's first dedicated mountain bike chairlift system.

This isn't the first proposal of its kind in the UK - Dragon Downhill's Jason Carpenter has been working on a South Wales chairlift project for some time, and the Tourism Swansea Bay partnership has been pushing for a chairlift at Afan Argoed Forest Park. But the Tweed Valley proposal looks like going instantly into the lead as being the most likely to happen any time soon.

A lot of work has already gone into this idea. The report recommends installing a detachable quad chairlift system in Innerleithen, between Elibank and Traquair Forests. The Innerleithen Downhill course at Traquair Forest is already well-renowned and a chairlift system would "offer significant opportunities to develop the area and reinforce its world-class reputation amongst mountain bike enthusiasts."

The Tweed Valley Development Group has set up a new working group including Scottish Enterprise Borders, Scottish Borders Council, Forestry Commission Scotland and the Tweeddale Business Consortium to take forward the report's proposals. Yes, that's kind of a committee, a word that tends to strike fear into the hearts of anyone waiting for things to happen, but it shows that the chairlift proposal is being taken very seriously.

So the vehicle uplift will be just the start. FC Scotland says that there are currently 8,000 visits a year. The vehicle uplift will have a target of growing that to at least 25,000. The more numbers go up, the more viable a chairlift begins to look. Certainly the local powers-that-be seem well up for it.

Dr Julian Pace, Director of Strategy at Scottish Enterprise Borders, says: "The success of mountain biking at Traquair Forest and Glentress, means the Tweed Valley region is fast becoming a favourite location for beginners and enthusiasts. This report demonstrates there is now a real opportunity to capitalise on that success and position the Borders as one of the world's leading mountain bike destinations. "We are now looking forward to working with our partners to identify how we progress with the chairlift system and ensure that future development at Tweed Valley will deliver significant economic benefits while minimising the impact on the local infrastructure, environment and community."

Christina Tracey from Forestry Commission Scotland said: "We welcome the findings of the report, which reflects the importance of the Tweed Valley forest area to the local economy and its tremendous reputation for being a mecca for mountain bikers. We recently advertised for highly motivated entrepreneurs who have all the skills and resources to provide a high quality vehicle based uplift facility. We will continue to work the partners in looking at the options for growing the venue in a sustainable way."

And Emma Guy and Tracy Brunger, who run the popular Hub in the Forest mountain bike centre at Glentress, believe a new chairlift would have a positive impact on surrounding businesses. Emma says: "Tracy and I have been working towards the vision of a chairlift at Innerleithen for several years. To see this vision shared with the partners that can make it happen is fantastic. This is a crucial and exciting stage in the physical reality of a mountain bike dedicated chairlift and it is important for the Borders economy that this opportunity is seized".

The chairlift race is on...


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Somewhere between 200 and 300,000 went mountainbiking in the tweedvalley last year. As somebody who works in Marketing I would kill for that number of customers. The Hub should be applauded for such an amazing result to date, but portocabins don't cut it in the modern age. Sorry but the place is a dump as far as facilities are concerned. What do we have to do as a sport to get the powers that be to green light a chairlift and the devleopment of this world beating facility? The money would be easy to raise for these numbers and we could ensure that all the work the Hub have put in so far keeps moving.
Would you pay, say £15 for a day ticket to ride all the trails in the tweed valley? That's £4m quid making an 18 month payback on the cost of a chairlift, cafe and changing facilities. People spend £600 a year on Gym membership a year. A £300 season ticket for a lift pass would be a no brainer. Call me a capitalist pig but that's a money making machine! Anybody fancy getting a lobby group going? I'll bring the banners and a megaphone.
Posted: 27/06/2007 13:46

The figures are not a "true" number, you`d be lucky if half that number is an accurate figure.

Example, I sometimes ride Mabie, my local, 3 times a week, how does that equate to me being a "visitor". I sometimes ride out, entering the forest in different places therefore not passing the counter.

I was at Ae last night with 2 other riders, 3 cars. the way the "numbers" are arrived at means this was 6 "visitors"(if they are still the old formula)

Then there are the dog walkers, walkers, kiddy walkers and all the `ologists to consider.

Then you have to consider the number of dedicated downhillers vs cross country riders.

Who exactly needs a chairlift?.


Putting it up is the easy bit, how much will it take to run & maintain?.

Waht about finding money to maintain what has already been provided?

Sorry to be so negative but I think it would be a nice to have BUT!!!!

What do you mean by "£15 for a day ticket to ride all the trails in the tweed valley?" ---- got to be really fit person to be able to do this.

What is the person only able to do GT blue route going to pay or those that frequent the "skills" area?

This is probably the wrong forum - not too many DHers


Posted: 27/06/2007 14:29

I think the facilities are already top notch. and free!

I would not use a chairlift, riding up is part of the fun.
I can see how it would make life easier for those who ride in such a way as they need armour, and big travel bikes.
Posted: 27/06/2007 15:54

Have you seen the negative press the new visitors centre in Wales is getting. They have sanitised the trails due to the expected increase in learner riders and have made the eating facilities no better than a glorified Motorway services (Including the prices).

I would take a dump in a bucket if it meant more of the money being spent on the trails and from what i have seen at glentress them showers arent exactly overused tbh.

I was one of the people when asked to complete a questionaire at glentress about the 'plans' to build some supa dupa visitors centre who turned around and said it was the worst idea they have ever had.

Now if you want to raise money for the trails, i agree thats a good idea. How about a stanes membership and which would include parking etc. I would pay for something like that as i prob put a fair few quid in the parking coffers. Please dont ask me to contribute towards something i would get no use from and doesnt improve anyones ride one iota ;-)
Posted: 27/06/2007 17:30

i think you've put your suggestions on the wrong forum Marcus...try Descent-World and you may get slightly better feedback. I get the feeling most people on this site aren't your common all garden gravity lovers!
Posted: 27/06/2007 22:39

I think therein lies the problem jamie. The actual number of DH riders is relatively small in comparison to xc riders. They want our money to contribute to their facilities. If they want something badly enough, charge £15-£20 to park at innerliethen and see how many of them put their money where their mouth is. It would die on its arse.
Posted: 27/06/2007 22:46

I was going to say the same thing Jamie, but the guy needs to know that the chairlift is a minotity thing and will only be used as long as there is a good DH following(cyclical)and will only be profitable 3xper yr - 2 times Scottish DH and 1xNPS(or whatever).
Inners is dead during the week and only busy at weekends.

Might be different if there were better facilities but the "genneral(local)" mtber will not want to pay that much for a day pass.

Get yersell over to singletrackworld.com hehehehe
Posted: 27/06/2007 22:49

wish I had your way with words Hobs!!!!!
Posted: 27/06/2007 22:50

No offence is meant by my words. Apologies if they are taken that way. Hi john :-)
Posted: 27/06/2007 22:54

little`n still up I presume?

I`m just back from`t squash and 4pts of John Smiths!!
Posted: 27/06/2007 22:59

No, we are on full nights now john. 9pm - 7.30am :-) Watching Rambo 3 atm
Posted: 27/06/2007 23:03

as an ex downhiller (only cause things got to expensive) i would not go to inners and pay 15 quid to ride there , to be frank the courses at innerleithen are over rated these days ... in 1998 they were good today there about as technical as eating a pot noodle

today the only track id go out of my way to ride is dunkeld or strathyre

ive kept my downhill bike for the sole reason that i will go to france after uni !
Posted: 28/06/2007 00:37

Interested to know if you would pay £15 to ride 'IF' the course was good enough though. 'If' they had a huge boost in income from DH riders they could afford to improve things which i think is what Marcus was getting at. However it must come from DH riders imo.
Posted: 28/06/2007 09:11

well in that case yes if the course was good enough i would pay it , a day ticket for fort william is about 18quid ! and i used to pay that all the time (hence the "it got to expensive to ride dh" comment)

used to pay 20 quid to get uplifts at dunkeld which entailed a smelly sheep truck and standing in the back with the bikes ... till the HSE and forestry shut it down

Posted: 28/06/2007 10:46

Well there ya go. Charge the DH lot about £20 to park for the next 12mths. At the end of the year you will have some dough to put towards a lift.
Posted: 28/06/2007 15:16

talking about dying on its arse, has anyone heard that the 'new' uplift at Inners is going to be in the region of £35 per day; crazy!!

I agree choco teapot, inners certainly ain't what it used to be and i would have hung up my DH rig long ago if it wasn't for the annual lure of Morzine.

If the chairlift is to go ahead and attract numbers like Whistler (like they reckon - doh!) they're gonna have to improve the runs no end which ain't cheap. I reckon the chairlift is a non-starter, although i wish it wasn't the case. I'd love to see the business case and the stupendously over ambitious forecasts.
Posted: 28/06/2007 20:54

Update us Marcus - don`t just leave it there!!!!!

According to latest 7Stanes newsletter the proposal is in it`s final stages before being submitted to Where???
Posted: 02/07/2007 02:31

Hey £35 a day sounds like a lot but you go to one of them crap snowdomes for skiing or boarding and its £20 an hour for a lift to the top.

DH is an important part of mountain biking and it should be invested in - we have two english world champs in the sport - we should support it to keep it that way.

Also dont confuse Innerleithen with Glentress this lift thingy is proposed at Innerleithen (isnt it) not where the Hub is.

At present if you go there for the day, you might get 3 or 4 runs cos of all the pushing (and you will be knackered). With an uplift DH would be a lot more attractive to more people, and more people would get into the sport (wouldnt they?)

Posted: 02/07/2007 09:58

You pay £20 an hour at these ski snowdomes cos there is limited chance of actually doing it anywhere else. Its not like there is much competition for them. So if you want to do it, you pay for it.

DH is no more important to biking than bmx is etc. Its a sub-section of biking which is always gonna be small in comparison (Cos its so bloody difficult and dangerous ;-) We have 2 english world champs at a minority sport, i bet we have other world champs, maybe at tiddly winks or similar.

I thought you were trying to get money in from everyone to fund your lift at innerliethen. If its just for you dh boys then i think its a good idea.

If they ever start charging for riding at these sites other than what is reasonable, it will die on its arse. I have so much 'other' choice to ride i will just go elsewhere.
Posted: 02/07/2007 10:25

True they should never charge more than a reasonable fee for parking for us to use the trail centres.

Charging a fee to use the chairlifts is fair enough though - which is why I made the comparison to snowdomes - if they build a chairlift, then there is a 'limited chance of doing it anywhere else' with little competition.

Bring on the chairlift - it cant be a bad thing?

Posted: 02/07/2007 10:37

100% yes. If the dh lads are gonna support a new facility then get it on. As you say, it will have the novelty factor and no competition. But the course would have to be suitably attractive to peeps.

Has there been a feasability study on this based on real world figures. Not the circa 300,000 mentioned above. How many people really do visit innerleithen dh course?
Posted: 02/07/2007 10:59

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